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Re:Uganda's internet Shutdown by Nextgrid on Friday January 15, 2021 @01:39PM (#25794421)
Turning off the internet isn't impossible per-se, it's just very difficult without disastrous effects on the local economy. I don't know how developed Uganda is, but I can tell you for sure that if the internet is blocked in the US or any major European country, everything stops, including real-life things such as card payments and even airport timetable signs (interesting fact: most of the UK ones run a Chrome instance displaying a webpage hosted by a Romanian company). Even if access to national services is unaffected, those services themselves depend on various SaaSes that would be affected by the international blocking.
Re:Uganda's internet Shutdown by iso1631 on Friday January 15, 2021 @01:44PM (#25794508)
> it's just very difficult

It's really really simple, as shown by Uganda, Egypt, Pakistan, Turkey, India and many more countries.

Re:Uganda's internet Shutdown by Nextgrid on Friday January 15, 2021 @01:51PM (#25794609)
My intent was to say it's difficult without incurring major side-effects to the economy. I've updated my comment to clarify.

Of course, if you don't have a significant economy to begin with or something else has already disrupted it (riots, uprising, etc - which could also be what prompts you to shut down the internet) then it's not a problem.

Re:Uganda's internet Shutdown by freeone3000 on Friday January 15, 2021 @02:02PM (#25794769)
Or you simply value control over money. The economy is not the primary goal of everyone, not even all governments.
Re:Uganda's internet Shutdown by read_if_gay_ on Friday January 15, 2021 @02:03PM (#25794790)
You need some degree of economy to have control though.
Re:Uganda's internet Shutdown by iso1631 on Friday January 15, 2021 @02:23PM (#25795063)
But evidence shows countries turning the internet off all the time, let alone specific filtering, and their economies haven't collapsed. India does it dozens of times a year.

In most cases you don't need to completely turn everything off, just shut down the mobile networks, and maybe the big domestic broadband networks, and that's good enough.

Re:Uganda's internet Shutdown by megous on Saturday January 16, 2021 @06:44PM (#25806640)
Turn off internet or block social networks?
Re:Uganda's internet Shutdown by imtringued on Saturday January 16, 2021 @12:46PM (#25803827)
If your country has natural resources it is very easy to heavily control that part of the economy and suppress the less controllable parts of the economy (by shutting the internet down for example).
Re:Uganda's internet Shutdown by celim307 on Friday January 15, 2021 @02:52PM (#25795453)
North Korea says sup
Re:Uganda's internet Shutdown by xxpor on Friday January 15, 2021 @02:20PM (#25795032)
It's simple if you setup your infra in such a way you expect to be able to turn it off. It'd be a lot harder in the US where things are a lot more decentralized. In Uganda, I wouldn't be shocked if all connectivity to outside of the country went through one physical building.
Re:Uganda's internet Shutdown by iso1631 on Friday January 15, 2021 @02:58PM (#25795529)
Maybe the US, which is a very large country, but issue an order to the major ISPs (cellular and cable) to stop carrying domestic network traffic and you accomplish pretty much the same thing. Sure there may be some WISPs in the middle of nowhere which aren't affected, but you've accomplished most of your goal.

There's two ways for internet to be shut down.

One is legal -- the government tells registered ISPs "stop forwarding packets". Doesn't matter how good your connectivity is when you simply have to turn it off. Your protection there are courts etc, but it's not technically difficult.

The other approach is extra-legal -- e.g a terrorist attack.

Just look at the effect from a car bomb in Nashville last month, I quote from a newspaper:

> The immediate repercussions were surprisingly widespread. AT&T customers lost service — phones, internet or video — across large parts of Tennessee, Kentucky and Alabama. There were 911 centers in the region that couldn't take calls; others didn't receive crucial data associated with callers such as their locations. The Nashville police department's phones and internet failed. Stores went cash-only.

> At some hospitals, electronic medical records, internet service or phones stopped working. The Nashville airport halted flights for about three hours on Christmas. Rival carrier T-Mobile also had service issues as far away as Atlanta, 250 miles away, because the company uses AT&T equipment for moving customer data from towers to the T-Mobile network.

The area effected was about 100,000 square miles, roughly the same size as Uganda. From one carbomb outside one building.

I think there's only one major Internet Exchange point in Uganda (just like it seems there was one in the south east of the US), but there's certainly multiple fibres in and out. If you're in Mbarara and sending traffic to Rwanda it's unlikely to go via Kampala.

Here's a network map of one provider in Uganda: https://bcs-ea.com/service/uganda/

The UK has a few exchanges, but almost everything runs through Docklands in London - various Telehouse buildings within a mile of each other, Telecity etc. Almost all internet traffic in the UK runs through London, and the sites that aren't are owned by Linx (IXLeeds is the only one that isn't). A major flood breaching the Thames Barrier will cause chaos.

Re:Uganda's internet Shutdown by im3w1l on Saturday January 16, 2021 @01:41AM (#25800586)
> One is legal -- the government tells registered ISPs "stop forwarding packets".

This only works as long as people respect the law. It wouldn't surprise me if in many countries they'd keep forwarding packets on the down-low. Black market internet access. At least for extended shutdowns. May not be any incentive if it lasts very short time.

Re:Uganda's internet Shutdown by Izkata on Friday January 15, 2021 @02:19PM (#25795006)
Didn't Egypt end up with citizen-run satellite or mesh networks that crossed borders? I vaguely remember people from other countries organizing on Twitter to provide it somehow.
Re:Uganda's internet Shutdown by londons_explore on Saturday January 16, 2021 @03:44AM (#25801013)
People always talk about networks like that. But the reality is they tend to only be a few thousand people max, while millions are still left unconnected.

They're good for exfiltrating news.

Re:Uganda's internet Shutdown by aaomidi on Friday January 15, 2021 @01:50PM (#25794596)
Iran, last year. Internet was out for like two weeks.
Re:Uganda's internet Shutdown by 2Gkashmiri on Friday January 15, 2021 @02:24PM (#25795084)
https://thekashmirwalla.com/2020/12/high-speed-internet-ban-...

here 500 days and counting of no high speed mobile internet for 8 million + souls. thats worlds biggest democracy for you /s

honestly i have seen how life crashes without internet, its not fun

Re:Uganda's internet Shutdown by selimthegrim on Friday January 15, 2021 @02:41PM (#25795313)
How many online businesses got shuttered that you know of?
Re:Uganda's internet Shutdown by 2Gkashmiri on Friday January 15, 2021 @11:26PM (#25800029)
My own for example. I do business online. Everything stopped for a year. Had to pay employees out of pocket because letting them go would mean their families go hungry. In all fairness, I could not do that so took a major hit. Same for restaurants, hotels, travel agencies, everyone doing wfh, tourism, we have a bunch of software development businesses, like huge ones and they simply closed shop and moved hundreds of employees outside the valley. Anyone who couldnt do that, like ours suffered. Simple as that.
Re:Uganda's internet Shutdown by ckdarby on Saturday January 16, 2021 @10:28AM (#25802781)
> I do business online > Anyone who couldnt do that, like ours suffered.

I'm curious, what business operates online but can't move? Is it a company with large manufacturing that can't pick up and move?

Re:Uganda's internet Shutdown by 2Gkashmiri on Saturday January 16, 2021 @10:48PM (#25807918)
Family considerations. Financial constraints. You dont want to take a loan when your immediate future looks like zero income.

Mh client base is in the valley itself so my moving wouldnt help as my customers wouldnt reach me anyways

Re:Uganda's internet Shutdown by selimthegrim on Saturday January 16, 2021 @11:31AM (#25803268)
If large manufacturing was in Kashmir there probably would be less of the problems there are now
Re:Uganda's internet Shutdown by 2Gkashmiri on Saturday January 16, 2021 @10:52PM (#25807931)
Oh... we did have at one time, probably in 1930's the largest silk fsctory in the world. https://www.greaterkashmir.com/news/kashmir/after-30-years-s...

Sadly political mismanagement killed it.

Other than that the valley is too little for huge industries geographically.

We have dams built on either side of LOC but the governments take majority share of produce/revenue and locality is left with almost nothing so yeah

Re:Uganda's internet Shutdown by iso1631 on Friday January 15, 2021 @02:59PM (#25795542)
Here in a G7 country there have been many offline business shuttered this year. Life goes on.
Re:Uganda's internet Shutdown by selimthegrim on Friday January 15, 2021 @03:24PM (#25795895)
My point was people in India love to sneer at Kashmiri supposed backwardness but kneecapping their ability to do business online is not going to win them plaudits.
Re:Uganda's internet Shutdown by 2Gkashmiri on Friday January 15, 2021 @11:33PM (#25800068)
Its not just business online. 8 million people includes millions of school children who have not gone to school since 5 August 2019. Then since March the corona happened and they had to stay back again. 1.5 years of no formal education but with a twist. While the world across everyone was on zoom, here in the valley the kids had to suffer because "buffering", no video, only either audio on zoom calls or the teacher snaps photos of Notes and forwards on WhatsApp, students copy that photo and work done. Same for audio messages on WhatsApp.

Point is, we dont know when schools will open but students are being prevented from getting some semblance of an education. I have a 4 Yo kid in the extended family and he's been in school for 8 days only. Hits out at anyone who mentions school.

Re:Uganda's internet Shutdown by ny2ko on Saturday January 16, 2021 @12:14AM (#25800234)
Ugandan here. I spoke with my family in Kampala yesterday (cell phone calls still work) and whilst some things like atms not working are an issue, for the most part things are working, especially since there is a large use of mobile money for payments
Re:Uganda's internet Shutdown by SoSoRoCoCo on Friday January 15, 2021 @02:04PM (#25794805)
I hope we never find out what happens if the US internet goes down. But with 2020's track record and what 2021 is starting to look like, we might find out!
Re:Uganda's internet Shutdown by ckdarby on Saturday January 16, 2021 @10:32AM (#25802817)
Not trying to talk about existing politics.

Outside of a rogue president that convinces the military to act in illegal activity or a true government overthrow it won't happen.

No running or existing government in the USA will pull the plug because they know that would end their career. All their fundraising gone. Wall Street RIP. Riots all over the place.