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Re:AR15.com Booted from GoDaddy by foofoo4u on Monday January 11, 2021 @07:11PM (#25740284)
First it was the social networks (Facebook, Twitter, Reddit, etc.). Then it was the app stores (Apple, Google). Then it was the payment processors (Stripe, etc.). Then it was the cloud computing platforms (Amazon). Now its the domain name registrars (GoDaddy).

We're working our way up the stack on censorship.

Re:AR15.com Booted from GoDaddy by flukus on Monday January 11, 2021 @08:25PM (#25741055)
This is what should have been protected all along, this is the infrastructure level and if anywhere has a universal access obligations this should be it.

Unfortunately people were crying about being deplatformed and losing their audience for years, they never cared about securing their right to self publish on the internet.

Re:AR15.com Booted from GoDaddy by eyelidlessness on Monday January 11, 2021 @08:48PM (#25741226)
Last I checked there’s a zillion TLDs wholly privately owned, even if all the registrars won’t have you it’s a whole ass internet out there.
Re:AR15.com Booted from GoDaddy by erichocean on Monday January 11, 2021 @10:28PM (#25741894)
Chrome could block domains, and so could top-level DNS.
Re:AR15.com Booted from GoDaddy by eyelidlessness on Monday January 11, 2021 @10:34PM (#25741926)
And hosts files still exist shrugemoji
Re:AR15.com Booted from GoDaddy by lightgreen on Monday January 11, 2021 @11:33PM (#25742322)
And pigeon post in case your provider disconnected you.
Re:AR15.com Booted from GoDaddy by loceng on Monday January 11, 2021 @11:36PM (#25742343)
The requirement of cooperation of different private entities on different layers is a feature, not a bug. If you're behaving so badly that's unacceptable to all of these different people and organizations, maybe they're not the problem?

Meanwhile, no one's free speech is being prevented - convenience of reach is certainly being limited, however once again that's a feature.

Re:AR15.com Booted from GoDaddy by plasticxme on Monday January 11, 2021 @10:44PM (#25741992)
These companies all have very clear terms of service, where they reserve the right to remove you for any reason. Using their service is a privilege, not a right.

If everyone is “censoring” you, then there must be a good reason why they prefer to distance themselves.

Of all those listed, you must be an especially toxic brand to be kicked from GoDaddy.

Re:AR15.com Booted from GoDaddy by lightgreen on Monday January 11, 2021 @11:32PM (#25742313)
This is exactly how China works. If you don't have enough social credit, everyone is censoring you. And it is your fault of course, correct your behavior.
Re:AR15.com Booted from GoDaddy by loceng on Monday January 11, 2021 @11:34PM (#25742327)
Are you comparing the US with China, where the CCP controls everything, a non-elected government, and literally has their fingers in every company of importance there? Maybe I'm misinterpreting your comment, your intent is a bit ambiguous.
Re:AR15.com Booted from GoDaddy by 4vrtrump on Saturday January 16, 2021 @10:31AM (#25802810)
If u seriously believe we the youngest country in the world r not headed to exactly to where u just commented about U r either blind to history of the world or a democrat!!
Re:AR15.com Booted from GoDaddy by throwaway99878 on Monday January 11, 2021 @11:47PM (#25742406)
I hate when I spent 5 minutes typing the comment and then HN tells me I'm blocked for unknown amount of time because I was downvoted. So replying with a different account to keep the comment. Sorry dang.

The original response:

Of course not. I'm just pointing to the flaw in this argument: if everybody ban you, then you are the problem. Sometimes there are other reasons for that than you, and I provided with an example.

> literally has their fingers in every company of importance there

However, now you said it, authoritarian states work differently. They don't tell every company what they should do. Each private company already knows what it should do, otherwise they will have certain consequences like change of ownership.

But again, putting the equal sign between PRC and the US is wrong at the moment.

Re:AR15.com Booted from GoDaddy by scanny on Monday January 11, 2021 @11:50PM (#25742431)
> I'm blocked for unknown amount of time because I was downvoted

Is that really a thing on HN? Seems pretty unfair to block someone because of an unpopular view, isn't flagging used for that when a comment breaches the guidelines?

Re:AR15.com Booted from GoDaddy by evgen on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @03:46AM (#25744029)
No, you don't get blocked for an unpopular view or for violating some nebulous 'groupthink'. You need to clearly cross the line several times to get blocked.
Re:AR15.com Booted from GoDaddy by noxer on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @06:06AM (#25745229)
No need to get blocked you get suppressed. And plenty people dont even take the time anymore to write something known to be unpopular here. Including myself. HN is just as much a bubble as any other place. Probably should be rewritten in Rust.
Re:AR15.com Booted from GoDaddy by sawjet on Monday January 11, 2021 @11:57PM (#25742487)
> > I'm blocked for unknown amount of time because I was downvoted

> Is that really a thing on HN? Seems pretty unfair to block someone because of an unpopular view, isn't flagging used for that when a comment breaches the guidelines?

Hamster news is not a safe space for wrongthink.

Re:AR15.com Booted from GoDaddy by dmitrygr on Monday January 11, 2021 @11:15PM (#25742195)
Nothing scares me more than thinking that you might actually mean this.

The mobs are not always in the right, no matter how large a majority they have.

Everyone in power at the time "censored "Giordano Bruno. He must have been hella toxic, according to you.

Re:AR15.com Booted from GoDaddy by jfengel on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @09:57AM (#25747684)
He was, actually. He got into fights with pretty much everybody -- and not just people in power.

The story is about a billion times more complicated than "the church burned him to hide the truth about science". He was, indeed, a heretic, as the Church defined it, and "science" had little to nothing to do with it.

That does not, of course, justify any of what happened to Bruno. But the oft-repeated story of "Giordano Bruno died so that I could have an all-purpose martyr for anything I want to disagree with" is false. It's worth reading a biography, or at least the Wikipedia page:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giordano_Bruno

Re:AR15.com Booted from GoDaddy by type0 on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @07:51PM (#25756414)
> The mobs are not always in the right, no matter how large a majority they have.

Sometimes those are the only in the right (or should I say left) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolsheviks

Re:AR15.com Booted from GoDaddy by loceng on Monday January 11, 2021 @11:32PM (#25742316)
So long as it's not a single entity controlling all of those other entities - like federal government - then I agree.
Re:AR15.com Booted from GoDaddy by toast0 on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @02:59AM (#25743691)
> they reserve the right to remove you for any reason. Using their service is a privilege, not a right.

> If everyone is “censoring” you, then there must be a good reason why they prefer to distance themselves.

Or it could just be an any reason.

Re:AR15.com Booted from GoDaddy by jrnichols on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @12:05PM (#25749767)
ar15.com is owned by Brownell's sports. it's hardly an "especially toxic brand."

GoDaddy really stepped over a line here and to this point has nothing to say for itself.

Re:AR15.com Booted from GoDaddy by johnnyscizz on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @08:23PM (#25756730)
I think they should have the same rights as the local baker or local florist. Buying a wedding cake or flowers is a privilege.
Re:AR15.com Booted from GoDaddy by thatguy0900 on Monday January 11, 2021 @07:22PM (#25740432)
Waiting for the tor browser to announce the takedowns of sites at this point
Re:AR15.com Booted from GoDaddy by lightgreen on Monday January 11, 2021 @10:31PM (#25741904)
It is only half joke: independent browser developers already call for "more than deplatforming". https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2021/01/08/we-need-more-than-d...
Re:AR15.com Booted from GoDaddy by tinus_hn on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @03:53AM (#25744073)
Which means:

1 looking at who is advertising around unwanted content. That’s hardly a new strategy.

And 2 looking at how filter bubbles work. Not news.

Re:AR15.com Booted from GoDaddy by type0 on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @08:01PM (#25756526)
which means it wont work and would only be counterproductive
Re:AR15.com Booted from GoDaddy by vlucas on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @09:51AM (#25747612)
Same. I literally blogged about this last month: https://vancelucas.com/blog/when-fact-checking-comes-to-web-...
Re:AR15.com Booted from GoDaddy by type0 on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @08:00PM (#25756511)
After their recent post [0], I just can't wait for the new update from the Mozilla Firefox that will have this fabulous feature built in /s

I have only seen yours and some other speculations as of yet [1], but you'll never know, weirder things have happened. Luckily we can start using Surf browser instead.

0. https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2021/01/08/we-need-more-than-d...

1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9xK44imGVc

Re:AR15.com Booted from GoDaddy by piracy1 on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @03:34PM (#25753169)
IMO it would be way way worse if it was ICANN not a rando registrar.
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Re:AR15.com Booted from GoDaddy by sawjet on Monday January 11, 2021 @08:51PM (#25741250)
Wasn't AR15.com already a safe space?
Re:AR15.com Booted from GoDaddy by eyelidlessness on Monday January 11, 2021 @08:55PM (#25741273)
Apparently not, it had a dependency on a domain registrar with different expectations about what they were facilitating.
Re:AR15.com Booted from GoDaddy by sawjet on Monday January 11, 2021 @11:56PM (#25742473)
What did they facilitate that was fine for years until today?
Re:AR15.com Booted from GoDaddy by Spivak on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @12:07AM (#25742553)
Political capital and the fact that it will get lost in the noise of all the other deplatforming?
Re:AR15.com Booted from GoDaddy by eyelidlessness on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @02:18AM (#25743454)
Honestly I don’t care? It’s not my business to tell people to facilitate or not. It’s increasingly absurd to me that this “free speech” movement has so little regard for free association.
Re:AR15.com Booted from GoDaddy by jki275 on Monday January 11, 2021 @09:14PM (#25741401)
on AWS? Not at all.