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Re:BMW to shame out-of-warranty UK drivers with smart billbo... by chrisseaton on Thursday December 24, 2020 @10:30AM (#25528291)
> I'm not getting extra value in exchange for money

Wait, if you're not getting extra value from the product every extra month you use it, then stop paying the subscription! That's the beauty of it!

Re:BMW to shame out-of-warranty UK drivers with smart billbo... by tomp on Thursday December 24, 2020 @10:47AM (#25528486)
I mean, why not pay a subscription for a knife? You're getting "extra value" from it every time you use it!

Just, no. By "extra" value I mean "extra extra" value - in case of software, new features & updates (which, of course, could also bring no extra value to you, but they do at least in theory).

Btw, I'm not objecting to choice. You want to avoid paying up-front cost for your knives, buy subscription instead? Be my guest! But if the company is forcing you to do this, then it's obviously a good (profitable) deal for them, and a bad deal (scam) for you.

Re:BMW to shame out-of-warranty UK drivers with smart billbo... by chrisseaton on Thursday December 24, 2020 @10:51AM (#25528523)
> But if the company is forcing you to do this

I'm really not sure anyone is forced to drive a BMW, are they.

> But if the company is forcing you to do this, then it's obviously a good (profitable) deal for them, and a bad deal (scam) for you.

I think this is unnecessarily cynical.

Re:BMW to shame out-of-warranty UK drivers with smart billbo... by stjohnswarts on Friday December 25, 2020 @07:27AM (#25536076)
You're moving the goal post here. Obviously you can buy a different brand of car. This subscription stuff smells of anti-consumer intent to keep milking them. I think there should be legislation to prevent such things.
Re:BMW to shame out-of-warranty UK drivers with smart billbo... by NoSorryCannot on Thursday December 24, 2020 @11:18AM (#25528778)
It seems like you're trying to catch this guy out for cognitive dissonance but I'm not seeing it.

CarPlay is offered in perfectly functional forms in the market right now for a reasonable upfront price that people will pay for a known feature set.

A subscription arguably can make the product less valuable, because of uncertainty about continuing support, changes to the subscription model or software, and an unknown price that will likely end up being higher than the flat fee offered by competitors.

This isn't cognitive dissonance, it's worry that BMW might pull a bait and switch.

Re:BMW to shame out-of-warranty UK drivers with smart billbo... by chrisseaton on Thursday December 24, 2020 @12:25PM (#25529409)
But uncertainty about ongoing support is a problem anyway because Apple could change the protocol.
Re:BMW to shame out-of-warranty UK drivers with smart billbo... by NoSorryCannot on Thursday December 24, 2020 @12:30PM (#25529454)
That doesn't justify adding additional uncertainty about what BMW is going to do with their sunscriptions and software and for how long.

And anyway, confidence in Apple is justifiably higher.