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Re:BMW to shame out-of-warranty UK drivers with smart billbo... by tomp on Thursday December 24, 2020 @10:27AM (#25528259)
Ah right, I might have missed your point, if "subscription" is the only thing you're objecting to.

First, it's obviously a scam. I'm not getting extra value in exchange for money, the product is done. It's even worse than various software subscriptions - at least there your code is continuously being improved and updated to the latest version. Therefore, literally the only reason the company is doing that, is to scam me out of more money.

Second is the trust issue - and I'm not just talking about legal scams - e.g. changing terms and conditions in the future - which could in theory be solved via courts / customer protection laws (but in practice, won't be) but more about the fact that the car company has the ability to disable (parts of) my car! So I wouldn't be buying such a car (asterisk) even if they gave me a "special offer" of $0-forever subscription! They can still change the terms at any point in the future, and it would require massive effort on my part to fix that.

Edit: Having said that, paying $2k up front for CarPlay is also a scam - but at least it makes it easier to estimate the total cost/value of the feature, hence reducing the risk (and mental drag) of owning it...

Edit2: Btw, I have this objection with any "subscription" service... e.g. buying leasehold (subscription) house (although even buying freehold (ownership) house isn't without risk in the UK, you never know who has a preexisting claim on the property...)

(asterisk): assuming other options are available... which is the whole reason we must fight against this, sooner or later... in M$ Office and non-smart TVs, this train has already left the station!

Re:BMW to shame out-of-warranty UK drivers with smart billbo... by chrisseaton on Thursday December 24, 2020 @10:30AM (#25528291)
> I'm not getting extra value in exchange for money

Wait, if you're not getting extra value from the product every extra month you use it, then stop paying the subscription! That's the beauty of it!

Re:BMW to shame out-of-warranty UK drivers with smart billbo... by tomp on Thursday December 24, 2020 @10:47AM (#25528486)
I mean, why not pay a subscription for a knife? You're getting "extra value" from it every time you use it!

Just, no. By "extra" value I mean "extra extra" value - in case of software, new features & updates (which, of course, could also bring no extra value to you, but they do at least in theory).

Btw, I'm not objecting to choice. You want to avoid paying up-front cost for your knives, buy subscription instead? Be my guest! But if the company is forcing you to do this, then it's obviously a good (profitable) deal for them, and a bad deal (scam) for you.

Re:BMW to shame out-of-warranty UK drivers with smart billbo... by chrisseaton on Thursday December 24, 2020 @10:51AM (#25528523)
> But if the company is forcing you to do this

I'm really not sure anyone is forced to drive a BMW, are they.

> But if the company is forcing you to do this, then it's obviously a good (profitable) deal for them, and a bad deal (scam) for you.

I think this is unnecessarily cynical.

Re:BMW to shame out-of-warranty UK drivers with smart billbo... by stjohnswarts on Friday December 25, 2020 @07:27AM (#25536076)
You're moving the goal post here. Obviously you can buy a different brand of car. This subscription stuff smells of anti-consumer intent to keep milking them. I think there should be legislation to prevent such things.
Re:BMW to shame out-of-warranty UK drivers with smart billbo... by NoSorryCannot on Thursday December 24, 2020 @11:18AM (#25528778)
It seems like you're trying to catch this guy out for cognitive dissonance but I'm not seeing it.

CarPlay is offered in perfectly functional forms in the market right now for a reasonable upfront price that people will pay for a known feature set.

A subscription arguably can make the product less valuable, because of uncertainty about continuing support, changes to the subscription model or software, and an unknown price that will likely end up being higher than the flat fee offered by competitors.

This isn't cognitive dissonance, it's worry that BMW might pull a bait and switch.

Re:BMW to shame out-of-warranty UK drivers with smart billbo... by chrisseaton on Thursday December 24, 2020 @12:25PM (#25529409)
But uncertainty about ongoing support is a problem anyway because Apple could change the protocol.
Re:BMW to shame out-of-warranty UK drivers with smart billbo... by NoSorryCannot on Thursday December 24, 2020 @12:30PM (#25529454)
That doesn't justify adding additional uncertainty about what BMW is going to do with their sunscriptions and software and for how long.

And anyway, confidence in Apple is justifiably higher.