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Re:Comic Mono by Biganon on Wednesday December 23, 2020 @05:26PM (#25522998)
I've always been quite irritated by the amount of disdain toward Comic Sans.

Partly because I feel like this is such an easy target, and people who have just learned 2 or 3 things about typography are very keen on bashing Comic Sans to show off their newly acquired knowledge.

Partly because, let's face it, it's not that bad. What it does, it does well, it's pretty legible, no glyph stands out from the general harmony, etc.

There's a reason it became massively used. It was included in windows because it was part of Microsoft Chat, which back then was heavily comic book styled, with speech bubbles for messages etc (something that has since then become a standard in IM). It appeared in the font drop-down list, and people picked it when they wanted their message to look a bit informal, not too severe. Of course, someone with design knowledge is able to achieve this without resorting to this specific font (or even a funny font), but most people lack this knowledge.

Re:Comic Mono by beloch on Wednesday December 23, 2020 @05:33PM (#25523056)
Comic Sans is the Britney Spears of fonts.

Overused/Overplayed. Legible/Catchy. Well crafted for its original purpose. Gets no respect. Probably deserves a little, but it makes you feel dirty to give it.

Re:Comic Mono by Kaibeezy on Wednesday December 23, 2020 @06:20PM (#25523428)
Not sure it’s Britney.

Comic Sans has no ambition; is chosen despite itself; is hyper-ordinary.

It’s the supermarket’s-own-brand ramen noodles of typefaces.

Re:Comic Mono by ljm on Wednesday December 23, 2020 @09:11PM (#25524464)
This and the parent comment need to be written with Comic Sans to highlight how absurdly pretentious they are.
Re:Comic Mono by vinceguidry on Thursday December 24, 2020 @01:24PM (#25529949)
It's virtually impossible to have a deep design-related discussion without it sounding to naive ears as pretentious. Design is the art of arranging things so as to evoke particular feelings in people. To discuss them is to discuss the feelings they're evoking vs the feelings that were intended to be evoked. And there's only so far you can get with the sorts of words ordinary people use to talk about their feelings. And nobody likes to hear that other people might feel and perceive deeper than them.
Re:Comic Mono by Cullinet on Wednesday December 23, 2020 @10:22PM (#25524782)
"No ambition... hyper ordinary.. "

Same as every crack addict on a come down, surely?

I'm not sure if Britney Spears had pushy parents, but I think that's the analogy with Comic Sans. Abusively pushy and demeaning, trying to criticise when the flaws are those of the beholder and bestowing outrageous praise for imaginary achievements.

I'm glad to hear solid defence of Comic Sans here because whatever it is, it's sui generis, unto itself true. Which I think is the most attractive character trait at the same time as provoking extreme reactions of self projection in observers.

Re:Comic Mono by jehlakj on Wednesday December 23, 2020 @06:45PM (#25523620)
And I’m sure those ramen sell well. Fact is, not many people care.

If you have a product that doesn’t target designers or the like, does it really matter?

Re:Comic Mono by sverhagen on Thursday December 24, 2020 @04:45AM (#25526215)
Surely there must be some value is graphic design? Or esthetics?
Re:Comic Mono by jehlakj on Thursday December 24, 2020 @12:32PM (#25529469)
Sure. If you’re targeting a similar audience as Apple or other high end brands. My point is that there’s a different kind of audience for comic sans or its variants.
Re:Comic Mono by emptyparadise on Wednesday December 23, 2020 @07:33PM (#25523962)
This would explain why the discourse around it is so toxic.
Re:Comic Mono by jasonjayr on Wednesday December 23, 2020 @09:45PM (#25524604)
Leave Britney (and Comic Sans) alone!!!! :)
Re:Comic Mono by academi on Wednesday December 23, 2020 @10:04PM (#25524707)
Not Britany Spears.

Maybe Carol Burnett.

Re:Comic Mono by jack2222 on Thursday December 24, 2020 @02:09AM (#25525609)
"if you like comic Sans, you know nothing about typography. If you hate comic Sans however, you definitely know nothing about typography"
Re:Comic Mono by knolax on Thursday December 24, 2020 @01:15AM (#25525428)
I don't have any typographical basis to dislike Comic Sans. I just dislike it because it's ugly to the point of irritation for reasons I can't articulate. I suspect most people dislike it for reasons more similar to mine than because they have some principled basis for disliking it.
Re:Comic Mono by foolfoolz on Wednesday December 23, 2020 @06:05PM (#25523321)
i made reading cards for my kids in comic sans because it’s one of the few fonts with the normal lower case a and g
Re:Comic Mono by jasomill on Thursday December 24, 2020 @06:42AM (#25526701)
You're not wrong. As fan of single-storey (your "normal") "a" and "g", a few additional examples do, however, come immediately to mind:

Classic example: Futura.

Modern examples:

Apple fonts: Monaco uses both single-storey "a" and "g"; San Francisco uses single-storey "g" by default, and includes single-storey "a" in stylistic sets.

The Adobe Source (Code, Sans) and IBM Plex (Sans, Serif, Mono) font families include both single-storey "a" and "g" as alternate glyphs accessible through OpenType stylistic sets.

Re:Comic Mono by michaelcampbell on Thursday December 24, 2020 @07:06AM (#25526820)
I always felt somehow ashamed for liking the 'a' in Monaco.
Re:Comic Mono by user2994cb on Thursday December 24, 2020 @02:50AM (#25525782)
Sassoon is designed for that purpose, this version seems OK: https://www.wfonts.com/font/sassoon
Re:Comic Mono by other_herbert on Wednesday December 23, 2020 @09:42PM (#25524589)
look at “Annika” it’s designed to be legible for early readers

Edit: not that comic sans is a bad choice I’ve just been working on things related to this and found that other font

Re:Comic Mono by geofft on Thursday December 24, 2020 @01:51AM (#25525546)
Searching for it - I think you're referring to "Andika"?

https://fonts.google.com/specimen/Andika

https://software.sil.org/andika/

Re:Comic Mono by amake on Wednesday December 23, 2020 @07:06PM (#25523773)
They’re clearly not “normal” if most fonts don’t have them (as default glyphs; many fonts have them as alternates).
Re:Comic Mono by samcheng on Wednesday December 23, 2020 @07:14PM (#25523834)
By "normal" he means the glyph we are taught to write by hand, which is also the glyph young children are taught to identify individual letters.
Re:Comic Mono by amake on Wednesday December 23, 2020 @07:24PM (#25523899)
Yes, my point was that that is a very narrow view of “normal”.
Re:Comic Mono by Dylan16807 on Wednesday December 23, 2020 @11:09PM (#25524982)
That's what context does, it narrows!
Re:Comic Mono by userbinator on Wednesday December 23, 2020 @07:57PM (#25524107)
I personally write, and have seen many others use as well, the "two-storey" a and g, so I suspect there's regional variation.
Re:Comic Mono by michaelcampbell on Thursday December 24, 2020 @07:05AM (#25526814)
> I've always been quite irritated by the amount of disdain toward Comic Sans.

So who exactly is the more petty? People getting irritated by a typeface, or people getting irritated over those people?

Re:Comic Mono by dheera on Thursday December 24, 2020 @03:30AM (#25525944)
I just hate all handwritten fonts for passages of text because a single character looks the same every time it appears, which is very unrealistic and cringe-worthy for emulating handwriting.
Re:Comic Mono by TuringTest on Thursday December 24, 2020 @05:38AM (#25526448)
There are handwritten-like fonts which avoid that problem, by having several versions of each glyph and choosing one randomly for each letter. Some of them even introduce some random variation in the shapes to replicate true handwritten text.
Re:Comic Mono by dheera on Thursday December 24, 2020 @10:35PM (#25533961)
I haven't heard of this but that sounds awesome. Are there a couple of good handwritten fonts you like that do this?
Re:Comic Mono by africanboy on Thursday December 24, 2020 @04:30AM (#25526164)
I am not a font designer, but I don't like Comic Sans for the same reason I don't like Las Vegas architecture that resembles ancient Rome or Egypt, even though I am not an architect.

Maybe it's because they're both tacky?

Re:Comic Mono by ballenf on Thursday December 24, 2020 @04:36AM (#25526188)
Vegas is just a big adult theme park. The giant pirate ship is not seaworthy.
Re:Comic Mono by africanboy on Thursday December 24, 2020 @07:26PM (#25532980)
That's my point: comic sans is the Vegas of fonts.

People who dislike it aren't trying to show off the "2 or 3 things that have learned on typography", they are simply not blind and can see its ugliness.

But apparently people got offended when I've said that there's no need to be an architect to understand that Vegas has no architectural value...

There's no special quality that makes comic sans good if you look close enough, it's just bad, 20 dollars WiFi router bad, LIDL shoes bad, IKEA lack table bad, Caesar Palace Forum shop bad, something that looks okeish from afar but that's not even good enough for casual use.

Nobody would live and raise a family in a Treasure Island hotel room, nobody would seriously use comic sans to write code and look at it 8+ hours a day.

Re:Comic Mono by sterlind on Thursday December 24, 2020 @12:36AM (#25525302)
I've heard that Comic Sans is accessible for dyslexics! But I don't have a source.