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Re:Windows 10 20H2: ChkDsk damages filesystem on SSDs with K... by runjake on Saturday December 19, 2020 @10:30PM (#25483615)
Are people seeing ads in Windows 10?

I often hear this, but I've never seen an ad (except MSFT's own ads getting to to try its new Edge browser.)

Re:Windows 10 20H2: ChkDsk damages filesystem on SSDs with K... by Dylan16807 on Saturday December 19, 2020 @10:39PM (#25483667)
In most, but not all installs, the start menu pre-installs game ads, explorer advertises for onedrive, and the lock screen advertises things on top of the pretty pictures.
Re:Windows 10 20H2: ChkDsk damages filesystem on SSDs with K... by leonidasv on Saturday December 19, 2020 @11:36PM (#25483893)
What drives me nuts is that those ads are also present in the "Pro" edition as well. I could understand MSFT pushing games into start menu for Home users, but doing so for Pro licences is outrageous.
Re:Windows 10 20H2: ChkDsk damages filesystem on SSDs with K... by iamtedd on Sunday December 20, 2020 @04:52AM (#25485098)
Well, if the user has paid for Windows 10, whether as part of a new machine, or at retail, they shouldn't ever get advertisements in the OS. Even for Home editions. This constant encroachment of advertising into all aspects of life needs to stop. Please.
Re:Windows 10 20H2: ChkDsk damages filesystem on SSDs with K... by TeMPOraL on Sunday December 20, 2020 @07:56AM (#25485923)
Advertising is a cancer on modern society.

And people really need to stop expecting that paid products won't show ads. From the POV of the provider, not showing ads would mean leaving money on the table (you likely won't quit paying over just an ad here or there). On top of that, as a paid customer, you self-identify as a real person with disposable income, making yourself much more valuable a target for advertisers.

Re:Windows 10 20H2: ChkDsk damages filesystem on SSDs with K... by R0b0t1 on Saturday December 19, 2020 @11:55PM (#25483977)
If I have to use Windows I install server. It is missing all of this. But lack of WHQL drivers means it usually won't run on portables.
Re:Windows 10 20H2: ChkDsk damages filesystem on SSDs with K... by userbinator on Sunday December 20, 2020 @02:26AM (#25484590)
It tells you a lot when all of the few Microsoft employees I've met run the server edition of Windows (in this case 2016) on their development machines; these are people who basically have completely legal access to use any of Microsoft's OSs, and they don't pick Win10. The one who I asked about it said it was faster to boot, more responsive, and "less distracting" (probably an euphemism.)
Re:Windows 10 20H2: ChkDsk damages filesystem on SSDs with K... by sterlind on Sunday December 20, 2020 @04:56AM (#25485116)
I'm a Softie, and I use Win10. Server 2020 is the same codebase now, I'm not sure there'd be much difference, and I appreciate the creature comforts of the shell.

But.. I still get winrot, and my dev environment drives me mad. I've been working on a laptop since covid started, and my dev machine is a VM on the laptop, so it's a nightmare.

At home I run NixOS with a Win10 VFIO setup for games. Both Linux and Windows at home are drama-free, but I don't abuse my home computer nearly as much and it's much more powerful than the work laptop.

Re:Windows 10 20H2: ChkDsk damages filesystem on SSDs with K... by hobos_delight on Sunday December 20, 2020 @02:59AM (#25484709)
I’m a Microsoft employee and I run Linux (with a win10 VM for those times I absolutely need it).
Re:Windows 10 20H2: ChkDsk damages filesystem on SSDs with K... by aksss on Sunday December 20, 2020 @06:51PM (#25490746)
At least you can still turn off the Lock Screen stuff.. I’ve not seen ads. It’s more random trivia about the geographic location they’re showing. I disable that overlay.
Re:Windows 10 20H2: ChkDsk damages filesystem on SSDs with K... by runjake on Saturday December 19, 2020 @10:40PM (#25483681)
Ah ok. I do see almost all of these things, except for the game ads.
Re:Windows 10 20H2: ChkDsk damages filesystem on SSDs with K... by gjsman-1000 on Saturday December 19, 2020 @10:40PM (#25483674)
Oh, heck yes. Can I count the ways?

- The Start Menu shows "suggested apps" by default

- On first install/boot, the Start Menu is preloaded with about 10 sponsored apps, and many of them install automatically even if you don't click them.

- These sponsored apps have a tendency to reinstall themselves _even after you just uninstalled them_ if you haven't rebooted your computer at least once or twice after first boot up.

- Microsoft Edge ads appear in the Taskbar at times, Action Center at times, and sometimes when you are changing the default browser to Chrome, and sometimes even after Chrome is default.

- Windows Explorer occasionally advertises OneDrive.

- Most built-in Windows Apps like Weather, News, and Sports contain lots of built-in ads.

- The Mail app comes with an "Upgrade to Office 365" button always visible.

- Cortana occasionally pops up by itself to ask if you want to use it. And there are ads in her search results and "suggested apps" from her for you.

- The default Lock Screen, "Windows Spotlight," occasionally advertises games, Microsoft's latest political agenda, or Bing when your computer is Locked.

- Office 365, on new installs or accounts, has links to _every web app_ on the Start Menu by default.

- When adding a user, Microsoft will hide the ability to create a Local account not linked to a Microsoft account under, like, 3 pages of advertising for why Microsoft accounts are awesome.

- The new Settings app has a new header that is in A-B testing right now, which (among other things) has a big obvious link _in the Settings app_ to Bing/Microsoft Rewards.

- Microsoft Edge has, by default, the entirety of MSN as your New Tab page and your Homepage. Plenty of ads on that, and worse, they serve ads from Taboola and Outbrain. Those types of ads with "You won't believe what celebrity XYZ..." or "Take this 2 minute quiz to learn..." kind of junk. (In fact, all of the built-in Windows apps seem to serve Taboola/Outbrain. You just want to check the Weather!)

- If you are not signed into OneDrive, OneDrive will inform you of this fact _every single time_ you log in with a giant error message.

- If you are not signed into Microsoft Teams, Microsoft Teams will inform you of this fact _every single time_ you log in with an Office 365 Sign-in dialog. It frequently fights with OneDrive to see who can make you sign in first.

- The operating system will sometimes randomly pop up with messages from "Windows Tips." While (theoretically) making the experience nicer for new users, the actual Tips app is pretty barebones and really motivates people to click a button to "Learn More"... using Bing search.

- If you want to use Google as default search engine on Microsoft Edge instead of Bing, that is a.) extremely nested deep in the UI and hard to find, and b.) if you do manage to find it, there's a three-section ad explaining the "benefits of Bing."

And there's still stuff I'm forgetting.

Re:Windows 10 20H2: ChkDsk damages filesystem on SSDs with K... by jiggawatts on Sunday December 20, 2020 @01:08AM (#25484266)
Thanks! I finally have the name for the wretched hive of scum and villainy that spews forth those horrendous ads.

> Taboola is the world’s largest discovery platform. Through our exclusive partnerships with many of the world’s top publishers, we serve 360 billion content recommendations to over one billion people across the web each month. You have probably seen our feed serving recommendations on sites like Bild, Bloomberg, NBC News, Le Figaro, MSN, The Independent and The Weather Channel.

Yup... MSN is right there in their list of customers! They mention "native ads" quite a bit on their front page. What are native ads you ask? They tell you:

> Native advertising is the concept of creating ads that are so cohesive with the page content, assimilated into the design, and consistent with the platform behavior that the viewer feels the ad belongs there.

and:

> As consumers become more resistant to traditional forms of advertising, Fortune 500 brands and consumer startups alike are allocating bigger budgets towards content marketing and non-disruptive ad formats.

Translation: People are starting to become resistant to the overt brainwashing, so we're making the brainwashing covert.

I just threw up in my mouth a little bit.

How do the people that work in these places sleep at night?

Re:Windows 10 20H2: ChkDsk damages filesystem on SSDs with K... by ChuckNorris89 on Sunday December 20, 2020 @04:00AM (#25484929)
>How do the people that work in these places sleep at night?

Like Donald Draper said: "On a bed made of money!"

Re:Windows 10 20H2: ChkDsk damages filesystem on SSDs with K... by cbzbc on Sunday December 20, 2020 @02:15AM (#25484554)
Outbrain is the other big source of chumbox adverts.
Re:Windows 10 20H2: ChkDsk damages filesystem on SSDs with K... by Macha on Saturday December 19, 2020 @10:52PM (#25483731)
* The Settings app currently advertises "Rewards: Sign In" on two of the three Windows machines I have access to

* After every version update I'm prompted to finish setting up my account by converting my local sign in to a Microsoft account. The wizard itself only gives options to go through with it or be reminded in 3 days. Disabling it is a checkbox in notifications settings page "Suggest ways I can finish setting up the device to get the most out of windows". This to me feels like deliberate disguising of the true purpose of this setting

Re:Windows 10 20H2: ChkDsk damages filesystem on SSDs with K... by Pq2Vvv8MtzTCFWS on Sunday December 20, 2020 @01:34AM (#25484378)
I haven't had any of these issues, this is what I did when setting up my Win 10. (The watermark still shows up 90% of the time, but with dual monitors I never notice it.)

USB installed without a key Windows 10 Pro N, which comes with less bloatware - https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10

when installing do not sign up for an outlook.com account, create a local agent account

Go into settings and tweak as much privacy stuff as I saw - as found here https://fix10.isleaked.com/ & https://techlog360.com/stop-microsoft-spying-windows-10-priv...

downloaded o&o shutup10 to tweak more privacy settings, could have probably done this without the reg edits - https://www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10

registry edits to -remove the activation watermark -https://www.techolac.com/computers/how-to-remove-activate-wi...

wallpaper can be changed by right clicking on an image and setting it as background wallpaper - cool wallpaper site https://interfacelift.com/wallpaper/downloads/rating/any/

downloaded Open Shell for further customization https://open-shell.github.io/Open-Shell-Menu/

added show desktop to taskbar https://winaero.com/blog/add-the-show-desktop-button-next-to...

Re:Windows 10 20H2: ChkDsk damages filesystem on SSDs with K... by vanilla_nut on Sunday December 20, 2020 @01:08PM (#25488212)
So you did have most of these issues, but jumped through a lot of hoops and maintained a bunch of brittle fixes to address them?

Also, your link to "Windows 10 Pro N" just leads me to the download page for Windows 10 -- I don't see any option for "Pro N". Smells like dark patterns to me.

Re:Windows 10 20H2: ChkDsk damages filesystem on SSDs with K... by colejohnson66 on Sunday December 20, 2020 @08:02PM (#25491098)
The “N” editions were created to comply with EU law, so they’re really only available in the EU. A VPN would help.
Re:Windows 10 20H2: ChkDsk damages filesystem on SSDs with K... by vanilla_nut on Monday December 21, 2020 @12:42PM (#25497248)
Ironically, I'm actually on a VPN already... just not one into the EU! I suppose this is how EU users must feel when new tech products launch and they're only available in the US.
Re:Windows 10 20H2: ChkDsk damages filesystem on SSDs with K... by rbdeveloper on Sunday December 20, 2020 @05:29AM (#25485252)
"- The Mail app comes with an "Upgrade to Office 365" button always visible."

By right-clicking on the button you can hide it completely.

Re:Windows 10 20H2: ChkDsk damages filesystem on SSDs with K... by tonyedgecombe on Sunday December 20, 2020 @05:16AM (#25485198)
It seems Windows is becoming a platform to sell you other services.

macOS has the same issue but is not so far down the road.

Re:Windows 10 20H2: ChkDsk damages filesystem on SSDs with K... by dEnigma on Sunday December 20, 2020 @04:01AM (#25484931)
Some ads take the form of tiles in your start menu. These are there right after installation if I'm not mistaken, but you can easily remove them. Then there are prompts to "finish setting up Windows" which take you to a screen that offers, among other things, a Microsoft Office trial. Apparently there are also adds in Windows Explorer, but I'm not 100% sure I've ever seen them.
Re:Windows 10 20H2: ChkDsk damages filesystem on SSDs with K... by goatinaboat on Sunday December 20, 2020 @04:31AM (#25485037)
Are people seeing ads in Windows 10?

It’s one of those tropes that keeps getting repeated but on the occasion I have said to someone “show me these ads” it turns out to be a recommendation in the Microsoft Store or something. Apple does those too in its App Store.