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Re:California plan for wealth tax on anyone who spends 60 da... by AnthonyMouse on Saturday December 19, 2020 @12:37PM (#25479213)
But that has a related cause and effect. The reason these things have happened in California isn't the geography. If you drive a large fraction of the same people out and into places like Austin through excessive housing costs and high taxes, then the next Elon Musk can build it there instead. Because it's the people, not the place.
Re:California plan for wealth tax on anyone who spends 60 da... by runarberg on Saturday December 19, 2020 @01:17PM (#25479650)
Don’t be surprised if Texas (in particular Austin) adopts similar tax measures. I bet there is just as much public support for it—if not even more—then in California.
Re:California plan for wealth tax on anyone who spends 60 da... by AnthonyMouse on Saturday December 19, 2020 @01:29PM (#25479757)
If Austin adopted it, people would just move two miles outside the city limits. And the state of Texas as a whole is not going to do that.
Re:California plan for wealth tax on anyone who spends 60 da... by runarberg on Saturday December 19, 2020 @01:44PM (#25479923)
> The state of Texas as a whole is not going to do that.

What makes you so sure of that? Texas has a huge middle and working class. If asked I bet majority of Texans wouldn’t mind taxing their upper class. I think it is only a matter of time before politician is able to win over this vote share by targeting the state’s richest for taxation.

Re:California plan for wealth tax on anyone who spends 60 da... by asdff on Saturday December 19, 2020 @04:08PM (#25481216)
It doesn't matter the changing makeup of the state when the republicans have gerrymandered it to be unwinnable. Sure, it might go blue a few presidential elections, but for policies that actually come from the statehouse it will be blood red for the foreseeable future.
Re:California plan for wealth tax on anyone who spends 60 da... by therealdrag0 on Saturday December 19, 2020 @02:02PM (#25480107)
Do you know many conservatives/Republicans?
Re:California plan for wealth tax on anyone who spends 60 da... by runarberg on Saturday December 19, 2020 @02:11PM (#25480206)
I guess socialists crave what conservatives fear. My prediction is that as Texas becomes more democratic (lower case and capital D), the conservative’s fear will be increasingly realized.
Re:California plan for wealth tax on anyone who spends 60 da... by therealdrag0 on Saturday December 19, 2020 @03:09PM (#25480735)
Yeah could be. I just disputed your other comment that lots of middle class people wouldn't mind taxing the rich. Whereas most of the conservatives I know are ardently against tax increases by principle even if the tax wouldn't affect them. But sure if Tx changes politically then ya.
Re:California plan for wealth tax on anyone who spends 60 da... by runarberg on Saturday December 19, 2020 @05:49PM (#25482010)
I guess your right, I’m sort of ignoring the existence of the conservative middle class (which I believe is kind of big in Texas). However I wouldn’t be surprised if we were to witness the political left winning over this vote share in less then a generation by targeting the wealthy elite. And I think this is even more likely to happen in Texas then say California.
Re:California plan for wealth tax on anyone who spends 60 da... by AnimalMuppet on Saturday December 19, 2020 @01:35PM (#25479814)
But if you drive a large fraction of those people out, they don't all go to Austin. Austin therefore winds up with a lower concentration of those people than Silicon Valley had. By doing this, you can kill SV without creating a new one.
Re:California plan for wealth tax on anyone who spends 60 da... by AnthonyMouse on Saturday December 19, 2020 @01:37PM (#25479837)
That depends on how much concentration you actually need.

You could kill SV and create five more.

Re:California plan for wealth tax on anyone who spends 60 da... by foobiekr on Saturday December 19, 2020 @02:22PM (#25480311)
It's easier to destroy the Valley than to create a timeline where a new Valley evolves. It really isn't an inevitability that anything like SV exist, and in fact, there are tons of reasons why it's unlikely a new one would evolve, chief among them the hostility to individual entrepreneurs* like regulatory capture, enforceable non-competes, and so on, as well a lot of the margin and efficiencies have been driven out of the business in favor of defensible moats and network effects.

The most likely thing isn't five more valleys, it's that the valley gets { Texas, Boston, Utah, Minnesota, DC Metro, ..}-ized and there is nothing like it again.

* (I _hate_ "entrepreneur"; I've founded and exited a company but as a term it is not in-line at all with the freewheeling, let's-do-this, let's-do-it-better-than-anyone way people who drove the valley in the 70s and 80s thought of themselves. The rise of "entrepreneur" as the way of thinking about founders correlates well, imho, with the decline of the valley as the center of technology.)

Re:California plan for wealth tax on anyone who spends 60 da... by Apocryphon on Saturday December 19, 2020 @05:42PM (#25481967)
There should be efforts to to build new Silicon Valley’s. Putting all of tech’s eggs on one metro located near massive faultlines is just poor planning. There ought to be multiple redundancies.
Re:California plan for wealth tax on anyone who spends 60 da... by spamizbad on Saturday December 19, 2020 @02:21PM (#25480300)
How do you "drive" people out someplace they have no desire to live? I feel like the Kansas experiment[1] is a good example of the limits of tax policy as it relates to growth in employment and innovation.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kansas_experiment#Jobs_and_gro...

Re:California plan for wealth tax on anyone who spends 60 da... by ip26 on Saturday December 19, 2020 @12:50PM (#25479372)
You can see why that's obviously a chicken-and-egg circumstance though.
Re:California plan for wealth tax on anyone who spends 60 da... by nitrogen on Saturday December 19, 2020 @12:55PM (#25479427)
Texas Instruments was probably not founded in California, so the center of mass could easily shift again.