Re:Active Admin - The missing administration framework for R...
by jschuur on Thursday May 12, 2011 @06:24PM
(#2542599)
Kudos to the developer for having a nicely presented web site for the project too, and not just a github repo. All too often, a lot of awesome projects hide on github without some upfront presentation of the work beyond a short README file.
The developer will know why their work is great and how it can help others, but you have to make it easy to recognize for the uninitiated too. That still applies for technical projects that are going to require advanced programming efforts to integrate anyway. Don't think of it as marketing, think of it as a necessary step to evangelizing your work and bringing its benefits to a wider audience.
Re:Active Admin - The missing administration framework for R...
by ryanlchan on Thursday May 12, 2011 @10:37PM
(#2543320)
I honestly expected to pay for this until I hit 'Get the code' and saw a github page. Simply making the website aesthetically pleasing increased my willingness to download and pay by an order of magnitude.
Re:Active Admin - The missing administration framework for R...
by jschuur on Thursday May 12, 2011 @10:32PM
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True. For cynical people and coders used to a corporate environment, 'markting' is often something which overhypes a product, or makes promises in a sales situation that they then have to put up with and develop.
Whatever it's called, marketing isn't just something for companies, large or small. It can apply to single developers, who simply want to make sure all the hard work put into a project ends being worth it, because other developers benefited from your code.
Re:Active Admin - The missing administration framework for R...
by gregbell on Thursday May 12, 2011 @07:51PM
(#2542847)
That's a great question and something I plan on writing a full blog post about. But, from a high level, here are the projet goals we've been working with:
1. An administration interface must be good looking and easy to use. The interface is not for developers who understand the underlying data model, rather for operations staff who need to do their job and service our customers.
2. Administration of a production application is way more complex than a simple CRUD of database tables. Although editing data is necessary, most of the time operations staff are finding a resource and performing an action on it or looking up historical data.
3. An administration framework must be highly customizable. Active Admin makes it easy to add controller actions, sidebar elements, action buttons, dashboard widgets, custom forms, show screens and hook in to all resources via plugins.
Re:Active Admin - The missing administration framework for R...
by kaylarose on Thursday May 12, 2011 @07:52PM
(#2542850)
Right now it looks* like rails_admin is a bit more feature complete as far as CRUD administration goes (+ history of edits). While ActiveRails has feature like comments which may be more relevant to less technical users.
* Disclaimer: I'm more familiar (and probably biased) with rails_admin
Re:Active Admin - The missing administration framework for R...
by esmevane on Thursday May 12, 2011 @11:45PM
(#2543470)
Thanks for posting this.
There was a lot of care in delivering this product. As others have pointed out, this is so compellingly done that you could legitimately expect to pay for it. But no, it's open sourced - thank you very much for that.
I definitely now have plans to incorporate this as an experiment in the next application I cook up. Excited to have an option available which can reduce admin development time dramatically, freeing me up to worry almost entirely on UX and front functionality.
Re:Active Admin - The missing administration framework for R...
by arturadib on Thursday May 12, 2011 @09:48PM
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This reminds me of a recent research I've done on admin user interfaces in general. This one looks pretty spiffy, but there are good alternatives if you don't necessarily need the full framework. Here are some leads I've found:
Re:Active Admin - The missing administration framework for R...
by pbreit on Friday May 13, 2011 @03:04AM
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They all seem too "thick". I guess they might work if I was starting from scratch but they look like a pain to migrate to. Has anyone come up with something much leaner?
Re:Active Admin - The missing administration framework for R...
by NoPiece on Thursday May 12, 2011 @10:50PM
(#2543347)
Active Admin does look very pretty, but in defense of ActiveScaffold, it is simple, works, and is easy to set up. Being able to throw up Active Scaffold generated pages has saved me a ton of time over the last couple years.
Re:Active Admin - The missing administration framework for R...
by msbarnett on Thursday May 12, 2011 @06:47PM
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For future reference, you're being downvoted because Hacker News has traditionally looked down upon non-contributive, vacuous one-word comments. Particularly if they looked like they're coming from new accounts to try to boost the article's ranking.
Since you appear to be one of the developers on this project, I think it would have been better received if you had introduced yourself as such.
Re:Active Admin - The missing administration framework for R...
by jschuur on Thursday May 12, 2011 @07:45PM
(#2542827)
As I've painfully discovered myself, being humorous, especially sarcastic or filled with dry humor often attracts downvotes too, no matter how funny you thought the joke was.
Re:Active Admin - The missing administration framework for R...
by jschuur on Thursday May 12, 2011 @09:02PM
(#2543046)
I fully understand and agree with the rationale, hartror. It's just a little difficult to reign myself in and exercise the kind of self control needed here. But the inevitable and swift downvotes I've gotten certain helped to drive the point home.
I need some kind of Chrome extension that injects a confirmation dialog box that asks 'Are you trying to be funny?' before I post to HN.
Re:Active Admin - The missing administration framework for R...
by hartror on Thursday May 12, 2011 @08:54PM
(#2543021)
The idea is that there are plenty of other places[1][2] to be humourous on the interwebs. By coming down hard on the few instances that are posted it stops entire threads turning into just these amusing but ultimately unproductive comments.
Re:Active Admin - The missing administration framework for R...
by lotharbot on Friday May 13, 2011 @03:54PM
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edw519 regularly says something laugh-out-loud funny that also helps the conversation along, and scores a bunch of points. Other people often say things that are only slightly funny and have no other value to them, and score a bunch of negative points.
Funny and contributing = upvoted
Not funny and contributing = upvoted
Funny and not contributing = downvoted
Not funny and not contributing = downvoted
Don't make the mistake of thinking funny/not funny is the deciding factor.
The developer will know why their work is great and how it can help others, but you have to make it easy to recognize for the uninitiated too. That still applies for technical projects that are going to require advanced programming efforts to integrate anyway. Don't think of it as marketing, think of it as a necessary step to evangelizing your work and bringing its benefits to a wider audience.
Even now I'm looking for a donate button.
Which is marketing. A very good thing if done right, despite how some developers instinctually feel about it.
Whatever it's called, marketing isn't just something for companies, large or small. It can apply to single developers, who simply want to make sure all the hard work put into a project ends being worth it, because other developers benefited from your code.
[1] https://github.com/sferik/rails_admin/
[2] https://github.com/sferik/rails_admin/issues/317
A couple things I'd like to see addressed from the author:
- How is Active Admin's approach different?
- Why would someone choose Active Admin over RailsAdmin?
1. An administration interface must be good looking and easy to use. The interface is not for developers who understand the underlying data model, rather for operations staff who need to do their job and service our customers.
2. Administration of a production application is way more complex than a simple CRUD of database tables. Although editing data is necessary, most of the time operations staff are finding a resource and performing an action on it or looking up historical data.
3. An administration framework must be highly customizable. Active Admin makes it easy to add controller actions, sidebar elements, action buttons, dashboard widgets, custom forms, show screens and hook in to all resources via plugins.
* Disclaimer: I'm more familiar (and probably biased) with rails_admin
Also, it wasn't as nice as I would have wanted.
But this one looks really nice.
There was a lot of care in delivering this product. As others have pointed out, this is so compellingly done that you could legitimately expect to pay for it. But no, it's open sourced - thank you very much for that.
I definitely now have plans to incorporate this as an experiment in the next application I cook up. Excited to have an option available which can reduce admin development time dramatically, freeing me up to worry almost entirely on UX and front functionality.
https://github.com/pilu/web-app-theme
http://guitemplates.com/
http://www.uitemplates.com/
http://webguitemplates.com/
http://www.webappers.com/2009/09/18/20-professional-web-admi...
Active Admin provides similar features, but does so with a DSL instead of implementing classes, as is the case with Django Admin.
We had a long run, Typus, no regrets…
I remember some time ago, ActiveScaffold was the king of admin tools... Now I can hardly keep up with the new name for these admin projects.
Since you appear to be one of the developers on this project, I think it would have been better received if you had introduced yourself as such.
I need some kind of Chrome extension that injects a confirmation dialog box that asks 'Are you trying to be funny?' before I post to HN.
[1] http://www.reddit.com
[2] http://slashdot.org
Funny and contributing = upvoted Not funny and contributing = upvoted Funny and not contributing = downvoted Not funny and not contributing = downvoted
Don't make the mistake of thinking funny/not funny is the deciding factor.