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Re:Google outage – resolved by mrcus on Monday December 14, 2020 @07:16AM (#25416458)
Nope, especially considering the implications of this, with the amount of people working remotely. Google Meet, Classroom, etc. are down. This is probably literally costing billions every minute just in loss of productivity.
Re:Google outage – resolved by ants_a on Monday December 14, 2020 @07:43AM (#25416783)
Total world economic output is ~$150M / minute, so billions every minute is off by few orders of magnitude.
Re:Google outage – resolved by tzs on Monday December 14, 2020 @09:00AM (#25417557)
You are assuming that a minute of disruption can not cause more than a minute's loss of productivity. I don't think that assumption is justified.

Consider an exactly one minute outage that affects multiple things I use for work.

First, I may not immediately recognize that the outage is actually with some single service provider. If several things are out I'm probably going to suspect it is something on my end, or maybe with my ISP. I might spend several minutes thoroughly checking that possibility out, before noticing that whatever it was seems to have been resolved.

Second, even if I immediately recognize it for what it is and immediately notice when it ends it might take me several minutes to get back to where I was. Not everything is designed to automatically and transparently recover from disruptions, and so I might have had things in progress when the outage stuck that will need manual cleanup and restarting.

Re:Google outage – resolved by ants_a on Monday December 14, 2020 @09:30AM (#25417924)
I'm also assuming most of the world doesn't grind to a halt when gmail is down. Crops keep growing and factories keep running.
Re:Google outage – resolved by itsrajju on Monday December 14, 2020 @09:47AM (#25418129)
Even software engineers who are in a state of flow keep working :)
Re:Google outage – resolved by rocho on Monday December 14, 2020 @07:45AM (#25416804)
That figure seems way too low, what are your sources on it?
Re:Google outage – resolved by ascar on Monday December 14, 2020 @07:55AM (#25416905)
Simple math says:

World GDP (via Google) $80,934,771,028,340

Minutes per year 365 * 24 * 60 = 525,600

Divide and you get 153,985,485

Re:Google outage – resolved by HPsquared on Monday December 14, 2020 @07:50AM (#25416853)
World GDP is $80 trillion per year.
Re:Google outage – resolved by rakoo on Monday December 14, 2020 @07:54AM (#25416902)
World GDP was ~$90B last year (https://databank.worldbank.org/data/download/GDP.pdf), which averages to ~$150M/minute
Re:Google outage – resolved by vultour on Monday December 14, 2020 @07:57AM (#25416920)
That's trillion not billion
Re:Google outage – resolved by jrh206 on Monday December 14, 2020 @08:12AM (#25417073)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billion

A billion is a number with two distinct definitions:

- 1,000,000,000, i.e. one thousand million, or 10^9, as defined on the short scale. This is now the meaning in both British and American English.

- 1,000,000,000,000, i.e. one million million, or 10^12, as defined on the long scale. This is one thousand times larger than the short scale billion, and equivalent to the short scale trillion. This is the historical meaning in English and the current use in many non-English-speaking countries where billion and trillion 10^18 maintain their long scale definitions.

Nevertheless almost everyone uses 1B = 10^9 for technical discussions

Re:Google outage – resolved by ikt on Monday December 14, 2020 @08:44AM (#25417398)
This is a financial discussion though so:

https://www.worldometers.info/gdp/gdp-by-country/

World's GDP is $80,934,771,028,340 (nominal, 2017).

https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=%2480%2C934%2C771%2C02...

$80.93477102834 trillion

Nobody would argue world GDP is anything billion, that's crazy.

Re:Google outage – resolved by selectodude on Monday December 14, 2020 @11:16AM (#25419240)
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_des_pays_par_PIB_nominal

In France, they use milliard and billion.

Re:Google outage – resolved by rakoo on Monday December 14, 2020 @10:03AM (#25418319)
Sorry, language mistake. The result is the same: GDP is ~$150M/minute
Re:Google outage – resolved by kerng on Monday December 14, 2020 @12:12PM (#25420033)
That depends where in the world you are!
Re:Google outage – resolved by yashap on Monday December 14, 2020 @11:16AM (#25419241)
Indeed. Also, Google’s revenue is about $300K per minute. The value they provide is likely higher than that, but as you said, being able to send an email an hour later than you hoped it’s fine in most cases. Also, Google Search was fine, and that’s their highest impact product.

I’d guess actual losses to the world economy were more on the order of about $100K per minute, or about 1/3 of Google’s revenue. MAYBE a few hundred thousand per minute, though that seems unlikely with Search being unaffected, and everything else coming back. Certainly a far cry from billions per minute :)

Re:Google outage – resolved by demosito666 on Monday December 14, 2020 @11:31AM (#25419451)
I never understood this type of calculation as it implies that time is directly converted into money. However, I struggle to come up with an example for this. Even the most trivial labor cases like producing paperclips don't seem to be directly converting time into profit: even you will make 10k units instead of 100k this hour, you don't sell them immediately. They bring revenue to the firm via a long chain of convoluted contracts (both legal and "transactional") which are very loosely coupled to the immediate output.

Nothing is operating at minute margins unless it's explicitly priced on a minutely basis, like a cloud service. Even if a worked on a conveyor belt can't produce paperclips without looking at Google Docs sheet all the time, this will be absorbed by the buffers down the line. And only if the worker will fail to meet her monthly target due to this, loss of revenue might occur. But in this case the service has to be down for weeks.

In case of more complex conversions of time into money, like in the most of intellectual work, this is even less obvious that short downtimes will cause any measurable harm.

Re:Google outage – resolved by PeterStuer on Monday December 14, 2020 @08:23AM (#25417174)
Besides the exaggerated figure, I always find these claims bizarre. Sure, there was some momentary loss, but aggregated over a month this will not even register.
Re:Google outage – resolved by optimalsolver on Monday December 14, 2020 @08:12AM (#25417082)
I was unable to watch the Mogwai - Autorock music video. :-(