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Re:Simplo batteries breaking MacBook logic boards? by seaghost on Saturday December 12, 2020 @08:58AM (#25398242)
I have also replaced battery from iFixit kit, I don’t know if I have the same brand, my machine sometimes while in sleep restarts by itself and I hear chime sound during the night while I’m sleeping. I have late 2013 MacBook Pro 15” Retina with integrated graphics.
Re:Simplo batteries breaking MacBook logic boards? by Fezzik on Saturday December 12, 2020 @01:56PM (#25400518)
I had this same thing happen with a battery from OWC that I dropped in a 2015 MacBook Air. It oddly works perfectly other than rebooting itself and turning itself on when closed. And I followed all the installation/system reset instructions to a T.
Re:Simplo batteries breaking MacBook logic boards? by corgihamlet on Saturday December 12, 2020 @09:22AM (#25398369)
I had a similar issue with 2012 MBP and an aftermarket battery which in tracked down to the connector being somewhat loose.
Re:Simplo batteries breaking MacBook logic boards? by macjohnmcc on Saturday December 12, 2020 @12:33PM (#25399928)
A house in our neighborhood burned to the ground and the fire was started by a laptop battery (replacement) charging. It shot up through the roof of the kitchen into attic and started a fire that quickly consumed the house. I would never put in a battery not from the manufacturer after that not that that is a guarantee.
Re:Simplo batteries breaking MacBook logic boards? by Nextgrid on Saturday December 12, 2020 @12:59PM (#25400104)
The problem with bad/unsafe replacement batteries is that Apple intentionally makes it impossible to obtain an original battery.

If you could just walk into an Apple store and buy the original, Apple-endorsed battery at a fair price there would be no reason to go with third-party (and potentially unsafe) batteries.

Re:Simplo batteries breaking MacBook logic boards? by jwr on Saturday December 12, 2020 @01:26PM (#25400306)
Hmm. I walked into an Apple store and got a "Top Case Assembly with Battery Replacement" service for my 15" MacBook Pro. It was $199 total, which I thought was a fair price.
Re:Simplo batteries breaking MacBook logic boards? by Nextgrid on Sunday December 13, 2020 @06:24AM (#25405809)
It's a fair price for an entire top case assembly and labor. However it's wasteful and it's definitely not fair that this is the only possible option - that is still a lot of money for some people and they should have the possibility of buying the part only and doing the repair themselves.
Re:Simplo batteries breaking MacBook logic boards? by CogitoCogito on Saturday December 12, 2020 @01:36PM (#25400369)
> It was $199 total, which I thought was a fair price.

I'm a bit curious how you came to that conclusion the price was "fair". Did you compare it to the prices of others providing the service?

Re:Simplo batteries breaking MacBook logic boards? by jwr on Monday December 14, 2020 @03:31AM (#25414740)
Well, replacing that battery is not that easy, I assumed 30 minutes labor in total, the battery needs to be shipped, too, and there is tax, so out of $199 the battery itself was perhaps $100 or so.

In other words, if I were to do this elsewhere, I would need to buy the battery, ship it, and pay someone (or perform the task myself) to do the replacement. The $199 price seemed entirely reasonable, especially as this was in California at the time.

I think the price seems "outrageous" only if you ignore the costs of labor, shipping and taxes.

Re:Simplo batteries breaking MacBook logic boards? by bradknowles on Saturday December 12, 2020 @08:39PM (#25403511)
You mean, others that are providing real authorized battery replacements from the manufacturer of the original equipment? Ones that should be more likely to be covered by insurance if they do cause a house fire?

Those alternatives?

Re:Simplo batteries breaking MacBook logic boards? by macjohnmcc on Saturday December 12, 2020 @06:07PM (#25402661)
I think Apple should have to sell OEM parts at a competitive price to avoid hazards and take away the monopoly.
Re:Simplo batteries breaking MacBook logic boards? by eatbitseveryday on Saturday December 12, 2020 @09:03AM (#25398266)
Are Apple-genuine batteries no longer available?
Re:Simplo batteries breaking MacBook logic boards? by seaghost on Saturday December 12, 2020 @10:46AM (#25398921)
Apple authorised service provider asked me 400€ for the replacement battery and labour costs. So I decided to replace it myself with iFixit kit and it was worth it. The iFixit instructions are really nice and not too complicated if you have a little bit of patience.
Re:Simplo batteries breaking MacBook logic boards? by LIV2 on Saturday December 12, 2020 @09:11AM (#25398311)
It costs a fortune because Apple will also replace the top case, keyboard and trackpad while they’re at it
Re:Simplo batteries breaking MacBook logic boards? by Reason077 on Saturday December 12, 2020 @09:19AM (#25398351)
$199 for any retina MacBook Pro or 12-inch MacBook. $129 for a MacBook Air.

https://support.apple.com/mac/repair/service#battery

Re:Simplo batteries breaking MacBook logic boards? by manyxcxi on Saturday December 12, 2020 @09:47AM (#25398508)
Assuming the cost of the batteries were the exact same, that means that Apple is charging an extra $60-$100 for the battery install. If it took all of 30 minutes, that’s a labor rate on par (or better) with most automotive/mechanic/trade shops in my area.

I would love to be able to pay Apple just for the battery and do it myself, but I don’t know many people that want to learn how (even though it’s very simple).

This is where I get torn about how angry I should be...

I feel like Right to Repair laws should (exist in the US in the first place...) require that wear items be made available on their own. Not as an expensive assembly, not requiring authorized repairs when out of warranty, and not being DRMed. I think that certain classes of items should always be considered wear items- batteries, for instance.

However, at a certain point regulation (in the US at least) tends to either be SO broad or specific as to become regulatory capture for the incumbents or basically toothless.

On the other hand here, Apple is giving users a viable, quality option at what could be deemed a reasonable price.

To be clear, I’m not patting them on the back- I’m sure lawsuits forced their hand, they’re still making money, and they’re protecting their brand.

I guess the point I’m trying to get across is that it sucks that my options are battery of unknown origin which can have literal catastrophic implications or paying a non-inconsequential amount of money to repair a piece of equipment that is likely important to one’s daily life.

Re:Simplo batteries breaking MacBook logic boards? by Reason077 on Saturday December 12, 2020 @10:01AM (#25398598)
Per the above post, in some models the battery modules are glued to the top case, which also contains the keyboard and trackpad. This makes replacement either quite a labour-intensive job, or a job that also requires replacement of the top case.
Re:Simplo batteries breaking MacBook logic boards? by Nullabillity on Saturday December 12, 2020 @10:13AM (#25398680)
Which is a design choice that Apple made when they designed the laptop.
Re:Simplo batteries breaking MacBook logic boards? by nicoburns on Saturday December 12, 2020 @10:30AM (#25398807)
Don't know why this is being downvoted. Manufacturers absolutely shouldn't be designing their products to be unrepairable in this way.
Re:Simplo batteries breaking MacBook logic boards? by rbanffy on Saturday December 12, 2020 @10:52AM (#25398970)
The other day I read about car makers considering using batteries as structural elements to cut weight.
Re:Simplo batteries breaking MacBook logic boards? by the_pwner224 on Saturday December 12, 2020 @01:08PM (#25400182)
That doesn't necessarily mean they're not replaceable; just that the battery bears load. The engines on most modern motorcycles are structural elements but you can still easily take them out and work on them / replace them.

Of course, the manufacturer could design them to not be replaceable. But it's not a requirement that structural elements are nonreplaceable.

Re:Simplo batteries breaking MacBook logic boards? by samatman on Saturday December 12, 2020 @01:59PM (#25400538)
On the contrary: Manufacturers should have the right to design their products in any way they want, so long as the product is safe, and compliant with relevant regulations e.g. labor and environmental laws.

You want a laptop with a replaceable battery, I want one that's as thin as possible while still doing the job. Good thing you can buy a ThinkPad and I can buy a MacBook!

Re:Simplo batteries breaking MacBook logic boards? by Nullabillity on Saturday December 12, 2020 @02:45PM (#25400961)
> Manufacturers should have the right to design their products in any way they want, so long as the product is safe, and compliant with relevant regulations e.g. labor and environmental laws.

How is it environmentally friendly to have to glue in a consumable part?

How is it safe that you can't just remove it when it's damaged?

Re:Simplo batteries breaking MacBook logic boards? by nicoburns on Saturday December 12, 2020 @03:17PM (#25401298)
> so long as the product is safe, and compliant with relevant regulations e.g. labor and environmental laws.

Adding to those regulations is exactly what I'm suggesting.

Re:Simplo batteries breaking MacBook logic boards? by samatman on Saturday December 12, 2020 @04:09PM (#25401733)
Yes, I'm vigorously disagreeing with you.
Re:Simplo batteries breaking MacBook logic boards? by ksec on Sunday December 13, 2020 @10:49AM (#25407326)
Which is why getting a battery replacement after a few years is actually a very decent deal because you are getting back a half brand new MacBook.

Although the repairing quality of Apple Store has gone downhill in recent years, the attention and care they used to put though during repair are no longer there.

Re:Simplo batteries breaking MacBook logic boards? by christkv on Saturday December 12, 2020 @01:38PM (#25400390)
Dental floss underneath the battery. It’s more like the most painful double sided tape that sticks the battery to the case
Re:Simplo batteries breaking MacBook logic boards? by asadkn on Saturday December 12, 2020 @10:49AM (#25398954)
That maybe only applicable to certain cases or is US-only. I was quoted ~$500 for rMBP 2015 due to swollen battery (which is entirely Apple's fault), from two of their authorized centers.

I was told they assess the extent of damage and charge based on that, but the whole top assembly is changed in any case (glued). For example, if they believe the keyboard was in good condition, you won't get charged for it (and hence the baseline $200).

Re:Simplo batteries breaking MacBook logic boards? by bigbob2 on Saturday December 12, 2020 @11:48AM (#25399515)
Honestly between "disabling legacy extensions" on Mac and it being absurdly expensive or beyond your control to install genuine parts, I'm not sure I can bring myself to own another Apple product moving forward. Just sucks that work places will be much slower to drop them. Pop! OS runs great for me these days, if I could only polish off the last few warts :(
Re:Simplo batteries breaking MacBook logic boards? by Reason077 on Saturday December 12, 2020 @01:46PM (#25400446)
You can check the prices for various different countries by switching the country using the link at the bottom right corner of the page. In general, the price for battery service seems to be pretty consistent around the world, subject to local taxes etc.
Re:Simplo batteries breaking MacBook logic boards? by reaperducer on Saturday December 12, 2020 @09:28AM (#25398402)
It seems to depend where you live.

In the United States, there are hundreds and hundreds of Apple authorized repair stores that have access to genuine Apple batteries. But this is not always true in other places, which leads to the HN echo chamber of "evil Apple is forcing obsolescence to sell more computers!"

I had a MacBook Air done at one of these this party authorized repair shops last year, and it cost the same as getting it done from Apple, itself: $129.