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Re:Cameras and Lenses by franga2000 on Thursday December 10, 2020 @05:49AM (#25372282)
But it's way less effort than checking, isn't it? The name in the footer isn't English, so it's hard to know from that and there's no about page that I could find. The Twitter profile makes it more obvious, but I only clicked on it to check because of your comment. Why bother??
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Re:Cameras and Lenses by franga2000 on Thursday December 10, 2020 @11:51AM (#25375599)
I'm from Slovenia and this is bullshit. Maybe it holds true in a couple of Slavic languages, but I'm familiar with a handful of them and this isn't a thing in any of those.

Regarding the "insulting" part, you're probably mistranating it. What would be insulting in many Slavic languages is using the "middle grammatical gender" (rough literal translation) which is equivalent to using "it" to refer to a person in English. If you insist on translating literally, using third person gender neutral (in Slovene and many Slavic languages) is actually a sign of respect and is how talks to their superiors (antiquated in 3rd person, but still the norm in 2nd).

Not that it matters anyways, as we're all talking in English and thus English grammar is the only one that matters. Even if you know for a fact all parties in the conversation speak the other language, if you're using English, the rules of the other language don't matter.

P.S. Re: Latinx: yeah, that's stupid and I'd see it as mildly offensive if directed at me, but that is neither a pronoun nor common practice, so is entirely irrelevant here

Re:Cameras and Lenses by smnscu on Thursday December 10, 2020 @07:36AM (#25373020)
I'm Romanian and have many Polish friends. This is not even remotely accurate, except for basket cases that I have yet to meet.
Re:Cameras and Lenses by bboozzoo on Thursday December 10, 2020 @07:44AM (#25373087)
Actually being Polish I can say it is correct, at least for the cases mentioned (also correct for suffix -cki). However it is true that there are surnames that do not follow this particular inflection scheme.

Keep in mind that Poles are likely to use a single, male variant of the surname, rather than explain the intricacies of inflection in the Polish language.

Re:Cameras and Lenses by lb1lf on Thursday December 10, 2020 @07:58AM (#25373180)
-A former girlfriend is of a Russian emigré family; she always got a chuckle out of Norwegians' inability to understand the concept of inflection.

Her father as a matter of course got letters from all her leisure activities, school &c addressed to 'Mr. Yuri ----skaia'. - as her last name was ----skaia, obviously his would be, too.

At least for us inflectionally challenged Norwegians.

Re:Cameras and Lenses by leephillips on Thursday December 10, 2020 @08:34AM (#25373495)
Reminds me of Nabokov complaining about the incompetent translators of Russian novels → English writing Mr. Karenina.
Re:Cameras and Lenses by jgwil2 on Thursday December 10, 2020 @08:08PM (#25381068)
It wasn't "Mr. Karenina" (I've never seen anyone use that form) he took issue with; he believed that the name should be translated as Anna Karenin rather than the usual Karenina, since English does not inflect surnames.
Re:Cameras and Lenses by StavrosK on Thursday December 10, 2020 @01:04PM (#25376454)
Basically the same as "Miss John Doe".
Re:Cameras and Lenses by h_spacer on Thursday December 10, 2020 @07:43AM (#25373081)
Re:Cameras and Lenses by echelon on Thursday December 10, 2020 @09:11AM (#25373846)
I'm still going to use they/them because a name doesn't necessarily match with one's gender.
Re:Cameras and Lenses by baq on Thursday December 10, 2020 @11:35AM (#25375444)
language 1 extracts gender to a separate word.

language 2 embeds gender in the word itself.

names are words.

it's a lose-lose situation: native speakers of language 2 will look at what you wrote and cringe or just assume you're ignorant. they won't get the point you're trying to make, null, nada, 0% chance. source: i'm a native speaker of language 2.

Re:Cameras and Lenses by StavrosK on Thursday December 10, 2020 @01:07PM (#25376486)
Yep. "Greek is gendered, the gender is embedded into the words". Sure, but I can speak whole normal sentences without referring to gender at all, something like "went to the supermarket and bought x y z, then did a, b and c and came back".

You can talk about someone at length without mentioning their gender once.

Re:Cameras and Lenses by baq on Thursday December 10, 2020 @02:17PM (#25377287)
This is absolutely true, but sooner or later you’ll have to pick a gender or you’ll just end up sounding funny at best.
Re:Cameras and Lenses by StavrosK on Thursday December 10, 2020 @02:19PM (#25377332)
Not really, that's just the way sentences are formed. The third person has no gender, the gender is only in the pronouns, which are optional. Adjectives will give it away, though.
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Re:Cameras and Lenses by dang on Friday December 11, 2020 @01:50PM (#25389195)
If you keep posting flamewar comments to HN we will have to ban you, so please don't do that. We're trying for something else here.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:Cameras and Lenses by antonfire on Thursday December 10, 2020 @12:11PM (#25375826)
If you think someone having a Slavic last name means their gender necessarily matches the gender suggested by the form of their name, you are just mistaken.

I have a Slavic last name. I also have female relatives whose last name is, quite officially, the male-suffixed version of mine. I invite you to guess how that might have happened.

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Re:Cameras and Lenses by Kye on Thursday December 10, 2020 @01:24PM (#25376675)
You opened this thread by lecturing others on the pronouns they used for the article author with no standing to do so. Who are you and why are you more authoritative on the author's pronouns than the person you attempted to correct?
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Re:Cameras and Lenses by Kye on Monday December 14, 2020 @07:00AM (#25416215)
I actually appreciate when people default to neutral when they otherwise don't know. They tend to use he/him if they don't, and that's incorrect.

This unasked for anti-activism is very unhelpful. You are indistinguishable from people who refuse to use correct pronouns even when they know. You do not speak for me.

Re:Cameras and Lenses by echelon on Thursday December 10, 2020 @01:38PM (#25376829)
To be clear, I never forced you to do anything. You just got angry at me.
Re:Cameras and Lenses by halfnormalform on Thursday December 10, 2020 @02:22PM (#25377376)
Thank you for sharing your personal opinions.
Re:Cameras and Lenses by antonfire on Thursday December 10, 2020 @12:00PM (#25375720)
> Using gender neutral in this case is as insulting as calling him a dog.

In English? No it isn't. You are the one who is "butchering" a language's pronouns by improperly mapping considerations into it from another language here, not vice versa.

I have a Slavic last name, and I speak English fluently and Russian not-so-fluently-anymore.

If you use "оно" to refer to me in Russian because you don't know my gender, it would sound weird to me. (I haven't been to any Russian-speaking countries in a while, but I suspect there hasn't been a shift in Russian to use that pronoun that way while I've been gone.) I personally wouldn't be insulted, but I can easily imagine how somebody might; it would carry a subtext of referring to me as an inanimate object.

If you use "they" to refer to me in English because you don't know my gender, it would not sound weird to me at all. (Though it might have 5-10 years ago, for different reasons.) A much closer (but still imperfect) analogy to using "оно" to refer to me in Russian would be using "it" to refer to me in English, which would sound weird to me.

Hope that helps.

Re:Cameras and Lenses by heavenlyblue on Thursday December 10, 2020 @12:27PM (#25376038)
Russians use “yous” or “вы” which is both gender-neutral and a polite pronoun.
Re:Cameras and Lenses by antonfire on Thursday December 10, 2020 @12:44PM (#25376241)
That's for the second person pronoun, which are all gender neutral in Russian, whether they are singular or plural. (Like English.)

We're talking here about third person pronouns, and the "the plural is the polite version and the singular is the casual version" doesn't extend to those. You wouldn't refer refer to someone in the third person as "они" rather than "он" to be polite.

Re:Cameras and Lenses by heavenlyblue on Thursday December 10, 2020 @03:05PM (#25377878)
> you wouldn’t refer

you wouldn’t do that because Russia is a paradise for homophobia, not because it does not make sense.

“Они” is a valid pronoun for the same thing than now means “them” in woke English.

Re:Cameras and Lenses by antonfire on Thursday December 10, 2020 @03:28PM (#25378172)
The grammar of a language isn't about what "makes sense". A particular usage making sense or being reasonable isn't the same thing as that usage being part of a language.

If non-homophobic circles of Russian-speakers actually use "они" as a gender-neutral singular third-person pronoun, that's news to me. I wouldn't be terribly surprised to find out that's true. If it is, I would expect that to be a recent development, as in the last decade or so.

But it sounds like you're basing what you're saying on just mapping the English usage to Russian, or basing it on ground principles about what makes sense or doesn't, which is pretty unconvincing. Are you aware of examples of "они" being used this way in the wild by native speakers?

Anyway, whether it expresses politeness is a whole other can of worms, and I would be quite surprised to find out that on top of that in these circles "они" is used to express politeness in place of "он" or "она" (or I guess "оно") the way that "вы" is used to express politeness in place of "ты".