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Re:Chuck Yeager has died by melling on Monday December 07, 2020 @11:21PM (#25341748)
44 years after the Wright Brothers first flew 120 feet, Chuck Yeager broke the sound barrier. 22 years after that, man landed on moon.

51 years later ... still waiting for the future to arrive.

Re:Chuck Yeager has died by bartread on Monday December 07, 2020 @11:44PM (#25341925)
> 51 years later ... still waiting for the future to arrive.

I feel this acutely too. The trajectory we've been on feels a lot more Bladerunner than it does Star Trek[0] and it's honestly somewhat disappointing. All that promise, and possibly all that hubris, come to naught.

We have to acknowledge the impact the Cold War had and, perhaps, with it winding down as the 80s wore on the impetus was no longer there. Nobody wanted to spend the money on these grand developments and great explorations any more.

Yes, we've sent probes to many parts of the solar system but, whilst much better than not going at all, in no way is this comparable to going ourselves (it's much easier and safer, for one thing).

It is weird though, because the drive towards flight and, ultimately, space exploration predates the Cold War, kicking off big time back in the Victorian era, so it's unclear why the end of the Cold War also marked the end of that era of advancement. I don't think it had to be inevitable. Our dreams didn't have to become smaller; nobody forced us to become less.

(Of course I realise Mars is a much tougher proposition than the moon, but we haven't even really bothered to try, which is what frustrates me.)

[0] Don't worry: I realise Star Trek is ridiculous.

Re:Chuck Yeager has died by claudeganon on Tuesday December 08, 2020 @12:00AM (#25342057)
Not to be pedantic, but Star Trek predicted that America would experience an extreme period of inequality and social decay in the 21st century, only finding its way out of its selfish, destructive ideology after being ravaged by nuclear war. Seems pretty accurate to me (minus the whole genetic engineering war interregnum, but who knows, it’s only 2020...)

https://www.startrek.com/news/ds9s-take-on-homelessness-is-a...

Re:Chuck Yeager has died by remarkEon on Tuesday December 08, 2020 @01:20AM (#25342464)
Not sure why this is being downvoted, it's accurate. As far as predictions of the future go (or the past, as it were), Star Trek (DS9 in particular) got a lot of stuff right. Though I think Star Trek had Irish Unification happening in 2020 so we're already a bit behind.
Re:Chuck Yeager has died by rgblambda on Tuesday December 08, 2020 @04:04AM (#25343303)
Star Trek predicted 2024 for Irish Unification.
Re:Chuck Yeager has died by 35fbe7d3d5b9 on Tuesday December 08, 2020 @09:59AM (#25345992)
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Irish_Unification_of_20...

Tiocfaidh ár lá indeed.

Amusing that a date picked in 1990 could end up accurate when you consider shifting religious demographics in Northern Ireland and the potential impact of Britain leaving the EU.

Re:Chuck Yeager has died by raldi on Monday December 07, 2020 @11:45PM (#25341932)
I'm typing this on a pocket-sized device that can translate between hundreds of languages, instantly send a message to the other side of the world, and answer questions tapping into an encyclopediac database of human knowledge.
Re:Chuck Yeager has died by karaterobot on Tuesday December 08, 2020 @11:03AM (#25347018)
The phone doesn't do that stuff, it just communicates with a larger infrastructure that can do those things. Agreed that machine translation, telecommunications, and wikipedia are great inventions though.
Re:Chuck Yeager has died by HenryKissinger on Monday December 07, 2020 @11:56PM (#25342017)
Yes, smartphones are dope. But, what then? What's the next groundbreaking evolution?
Re:Chuck Yeager has died by sammalloy on Tuesday December 08, 2020 @12:25AM (#25342223)
> What's the next groundbreaking evolution?

Maybe it isn't technological, but psychological. Our minds haven't evolved all that much. We need to be kinder, gentler, more respectful of other people and other species, and learn to live in harmony with the environment, rather than always being at war with nature.

Re:Chuck Yeager has died by enw on Tuesday December 08, 2020 @02:10AM (#25342721)
And maybe an ability to regulate technological changes and the effects those changes have on us.

For example introducing more rigorous testing to medical devices, or learning to use addictive media in a reasonable way. Or maybe learning to live with less, rather than demand for more.

Re:Chuck Yeager has died by ocdtrekkie on Tuesday December 08, 2020 @02:02AM (#25342680)
This is the most unrealistic advancement in Star Trek.
Re:Chuck Yeager has died by dotancohen on Tuesday December 08, 2020 @04:49AM (#25343533)
That wasn't really Star Trek though. That was Picard's personal viewpoint. Many Star Trek captains felt, and acted, differently. Though it does reflect a part of Roddenbery's vision as well.
Re:Chuck Yeager has died by samatman on Tuesday December 08, 2020 @01:37AM (#25342550)
I can get a drone for five hundred bucks that fits in the palm of my hand, flies for a half hour, and shoots 4k video.

I think that's pretty neat.

Re:Chuck Yeager has died by raldi on Tuesday December 08, 2020 @12:00AM (#25342054)
My watch is pretty neat. Self-driving cars, when perfected, will prevent incredible amounts of death and suffering. Electric bikes and the plummeting costs of solar tech and batteries will save the planet. And it's unbelievable how fast these covid vaccines were developed, tested, manufacturered at gigascale, and (soon) distributed to every corner of the planet.
Re:Chuck Yeager has died by stonogo on Tuesday December 08, 2020 @12:25AM (#25342220)
Is this an intentional reference?

“Far out in the uncharted backwaters of the unfashionable end of the western spiral arm of the Galaxy lies a small unregarded yellow sun. Orbiting this at a distance of roughly ninety-two million miles is an utterly insignificant little blue green planet whose ape-descended life forms are so amazingly primitive that they still think digital watches are a pretty neat idea.”

― Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy

Re:Chuck Yeager has died by ryandrake on Tuesday December 08, 2020 @12:26AM (#25342230)
Yea, yea... but besides the Internet, smartphones, smart watches, self-driving cars, electric bikes, solar tech, advanced batteries, and amazing mRNA vaccines, where is my promised future??
Re:Chuck Yeager has died by musicale on Tuesday December 08, 2020 @12:47AM (#25342314)
Yeah we're missing 2001's lunar hotel and human spaceflight to Jupiter, but killer AI seems on point.

Quadcopter/drone tech seems like it's bringing us closer to Blade Runner's flying cars of 2019, although noise and safety are major issues.

Re:Chuck Yeager has died by rswail on Tuesday December 08, 2020 @01:07AM (#25342404)
and jetpacks! Aside from internet, smartphones, smart watches, self-driving cars, electric bikes, solar tech, advanced batteries, amazing mRNA vaccines, what has technology ever done for us? Nothing!

r/unexpectedmontypython

I was a "NASA" kid, was 5 when man landed on the moon, blew off a uni exam to watch the first shuttle landing, still amazed when a Falcon 9 lands on a ship, can hear "1201 alarm, kicking up some dust" and see the grey video and the shadow of the LEM...

But Chuck Yeager making that first "boom" is still the boundary between yesterday and today.

Re:Chuck Yeager has died by dotancohen on Tuesday December 08, 2020 @05:54PM (#25352655)
I would say that Gagarin's flight was more a boundary beween before and after than was the flight of the X-1.
Re:Chuck Yeager has died by smunky on Monday December 07, 2020 @11:54PM (#25342010)
yeah, butt it's medicine just a radio
Re:Chuck Yeager has died by Dirlewanger on Tuesday December 08, 2020 @07:37AM (#25344371)
While I posit that the Internet is humanity's greatest invention, it still has yet to be utilized in a net positive way.
Re:Chuck Yeager has died by salawat on Tuesday December 08, 2020 @12:24AM (#25342213)
...that are tuned to exfiltrate as much data as humanly possible, through which fundamental human rights are regularly abused/facilitated; that are spreadmainly to facilitate greater access to potential opportunities for financial transactions.

Their operating system is designed specifically to resist general utilization, and intended primarily as a vehicle for conspicuous consumption.

To be frank; short of a revolution in human ethics/morality/spirituality, the wonder that is the modern smartphone will not become half of what it could be.

And goddamn. Rest in peace, Chuck. They won't even hear ya comin'.

Re:Chuck Yeager has died by jdminhbg on Tuesday December 08, 2020 @12:40AM (#25342293)
If you think computers are used for bad things, just wait til you hear what people do with airplanes and rockets.
Re:Chuck Yeager has died by bmcn2020 on Tuesday December 08, 2020 @12:00AM (#25342056)
100% in agreement. Rather, we went from big, visual, dramatic accomplishments to whatever we have now -- a tightening of the status quo? advances that boost consumer spending?

I'm reading The Trouble with Physics (2007) now, and it's about the same themes (lack of progress in physics since ~1980s [besides higgs boson i guess]).

Overall though, seems that human advances, for the sake of humanity, have fallen by the wayside for...stuff like the red-bull sponsored jump

Re:Chuck Yeager has died by wyldfire on Tuesday December 08, 2020 @12:34AM (#25342262)
Besides the Highs-Boson, the LIGO, Hubble, JWST, what have the Romans ever done for us?
Re:Chuck Yeager has died by jagger27 on Tuesday December 08, 2020 @12:55AM (#25342356)
Don’t jinx Webb before it’s in orbit!
Re:Chuck Yeager has died by tunnuz on Tuesday December 08, 2020 @02:37AM (#25342868)
This comment can’t be improved.
Re:Chuck Yeager has died by joshualross on Tuesday December 08, 2020 @12:36AM (#25342268)
There have been amazing leaps in astrophysics; gravitational wave detection, planet detection around other stars (>4000), first image of a black hole, not to mention all the space probes doing science throughout the solar system. Outside of astrophysics, I think CRISPR has tremendous potential as well.

I don't disagree that too much of our collective intelligence is spent trying to sell advertisements, it's a shame.

Re:Chuck Yeager has died by sounds on Tuesday December 08, 2020 @12:13AM (#25342134)
I am optimistic about the future of the human race.

I won't put a persuasive essay here, but just say, I am optimistic about it.

Re:Chuck Yeager has died by medium_burrito on Monday December 07, 2020 @11:31PM (#25341815)
Hopefully not for long. Tomorrow hopefully will be a big step forward with SpaceX's 12.5km hop.

EDIT: Or the Israeli ex-gov guy saying "It was definitely aliens".

Re:Chuck Yeager has died by Zhenya on Monday December 07, 2020 @11:34PM (#25341844)
Re:Chuck Yeager has died by kevin_thibedeau on Tuesday December 08, 2020 @12:15AM (#25342153)
Hopefully Commander Orange was kept in the dark about this. Then again the aliens can just use a neuralizer on him and we might be spared the coming inane tweet storms.
Re:Chuck Yeager has died by softwaredoug on Monday December 07, 2020 @11:35PM (#25341858)
Would watch this Netflix show
Re:Chuck Yeager has died by awiesenhofer on Tuesday December 08, 2020 @03:46PM (#25351128)
> Eshed provided more information in his newest book, ...

Ah, that explains it.

Re:Chuck Yeager has died by hourislate on Monday December 07, 2020 @11:34PM (#25341842)
'We wanted flying cars, instead we got 140 characters"

- Peter Thiel

Re:Chuck Yeager has died by rl3 on Tuesday December 08, 2020 @12:12AM (#25342121)
A decade earlier, in a 2000 IBM commercial:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzm6pvHPSGo

Re:Chuck Yeager has died by sien on Tuesday December 08, 2020 @12:27AM (#25342236)
In 1970 there 300 million passengers transported in a plane. In 2018 it was 4.2 billion.

The future is that vastly many more people fly in a plane every year and it's much, much cheaper than it was in 1970.

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/IS.AIR.PSGR

Re:Chuck Yeager has died by zymhan on Monday December 07, 2020 @11:54PM (#25342009)
We have rocket stages that fly back to the launch pad to be reused.
Re:Chuck Yeager has died by qayxc on Tuesday December 08, 2020 @03:20AM (#25343090)
That's not new - we had a space plane that could do that in 1981.
Re:Chuck Yeager has died by justhw on Monday December 07, 2020 @11:43PM (#25341918)
Reminds me of this tweet: 60yrs from Wright Cycle Co. to Supersonic

https://twitter.com/benedictevans/status/1332292031427833858

Re:Chuck Yeager has died by astatine on Tuesday December 08, 2020 @03:54AM (#25343243)
The International Space Station, started 1998 and continuing, is a great milestone. Continued habitation of space by man is an achievement as big as the others ...
Re:Chuck Yeager has died by jjk166 on Tuesday December 08, 2020 @09:25AM (#25345497)
I know it's impressive but somehow "we have remained in this same place for 20 years straight" doesn't really scream progress to me.
Re:Chuck Yeager has died by netsharc on Tuesday December 08, 2020 @09:09AM (#25345248)
I remember reading a great presentation about how progress plateaus. People got jet engines and imagined space colonies, but at a certain point it was "good enough" and Mach 0.8 jumbo jets were fast enough to carry us halfway around the world...
Re:Chuck Yeager has died by forrestthewoods on Tuesday December 08, 2020 @12:09AM (#25342108)
51 years over 3 billion humans have a pocket super computer that has access to the entirety of human knowledge and the ability to instantly communicate with any human anywhere on the planet
Re:Chuck Yeager has died by RobRivera on Tuesday December 08, 2020 @12:03AM (#25342079)
The future comes in many forms and I find this kind of talk to overlook the phenomal advances all fields of science have made.

From the stars to the cell, the future isn't lost

Re:Chuck Yeager has died by numpad0 on Monday December 07, 2020 @11:35PM (#25341850)
Laser based additive manufacturing in solar orbit when
Re:Chuck Yeager has died by andbberger on Monday December 07, 2020 @11:53PM (#25342001)
Well technically we've been doing that all along
Re:Chuck Yeager has died by numpad0 on Tuesday December 08, 2020 @01:00AM (#25342379)
Should have specified serial production O’Neill colony built on it
Re:Chuck Yeager has died by billforsternz on Monday December 07, 2020 @11:57PM (#25342034)
1903 - 1947 - 1969 - 2020, so 22 years not 12 (sorry, it just didn't feel right so had to check).
Re:Chuck Yeager has died by avmich on Tuesday December 08, 2020 @12:01AM (#25342066)
12 years after Armstrong was the first Columbia flight.

We definitely did a lot in space since the one small step. The whole concept of orbital stations went from idea to everyday reality. Commercialization of space - like, successes of Ariane-4 and then Dennis Tito and others is also a significant step. We're expecting more any year now.

Re:Chuck Yeager has died by inglor_cz on Tuesday December 08, 2020 @02:30AM (#25342824)
In some sense, the space shuttle was a step to the side. The original idea was to get travel to orbit almost on level of airliners, reasonably priced and with short turnaround times, a mission every week or so.

The final design of the space shuttle was not able to support this kind of use. Very expensive and refurbishment demanded a lot of human work. So it sapped a lot of money and workforce from the space program.

Re:Chuck Yeager has died by qayxc on Tuesday December 08, 2020 @03:37AM (#25343181)
> The final design of the space shuttle was not able to support this kind of use

It very well could have been. The trouble was that the initial cost projections called for 50+ flights per year, but demand only warranted 3.5 flights per year on average.

It's a fate that every heavy orbital transport system shared so far - just look at the Falcon Heavy. How many launches did it have? Two (technically three, if you include the maiden flight)? That's 1 flight per year with another two classified DoD payloads scheduled for next year.

There's simply no demand for heavy lift vehicles outside of building space stations and DoD contracts. In the end STS was too big and expensive for just ferrying people into space and too complex for just getting payloads into LEO.

It could've made up for that by always doing both, but there simply wasn't a destination in LEO for people to go to and not enough 27.5t LEO payloads (~10t GTO).

For instance in 1985 there were only 25 orbital launches in total, 9(!!!) of which Space Shuttle launches and 6 other US rocket launches. Nowhere near the envisioned weekly or even just fortnightly launch cadence required to get the cost down.

Re:Chuck Yeager has died by inglor_cz on Tuesday December 08, 2020 @04:31AM (#25343442)
Yes, the demand wasn't there. The space shuttle had enormous LEO capacity, far exceeding actual needs. At least routine needs. As you say, two to three times a year...

AFAIK the final design of the heat shield did not allow for much shorter turnaround time than several weeks. It was necessary to inspect around 30 thousand tiles by "eye and hand" and those tiles were unique, so replacements had to be precision made. This is a system that just eats time of qualified people.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shuttle_thermal_protecti...

Re:Chuck Yeager has died by qayxc on Tuesday December 08, 2020 @05:12AM (#25343623)
I wonder what SpaceX will do about that.

They also use tiles and they will need to inspect them after each flight, too. Today we have new techniques available. I think the shuttle could be inspected much quicker now than 10-20 years ago - AI can help a lot with automated checks and 3D-printing as well as simplified tile layout (like the Soviets used for Buran) would also shorten inspection time and reduce cost.

I honestly see the main risk with Starship in the heat shield. Musk loves to take unnecessary shortcuts like no flame deflector tunnel on the launch pad which lead to completely avoidable problems (like the SN8 static fire that destroyed an engine due to debris from the launch pad).

The Shuttle had foam damaging tiles and Starship may have debris from the launch or landing damage heat tiles. They will have to be very careful with that and not be arrogant about it.

Re:Chuck Yeager has died by melling on Tuesday December 08, 2020 @12:02AM (#25342070)
Thanks. Fixed it.

We went to the moon in half the time it took us to go from first flight to the speed of sound.

We accomplished a lot in about 70 years.