You have 20 seconds to comply: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hzlt7IbTp6M

The people with actual power in this situation have the greater responsibility.

This cannot be stated enough. It seems in our general conversations that whenever there is a tribal component to the discussion that this responsibility shifts when it aligns or disaligns with your tribe. I've always been a firm believer that you can complain about those in other tribes, but it is your responsibility to hold those in your tribe to a higher bar. After all, you don't have a voice in the tribe you don't belong to and your tribe isn't perfect and can always seek to improve.

And there should never be a question about a person in a position of power being held to a higher responsibility than an average person. No one should be getting a pass on this, inside or outside of your tribe.

Your options are pretty much comply and hope you don't get shot, fight, hide somewhere and hope you don't get shot when they storm in, or set up a camera streaming to someone you trust just in case you don't survive. It looks like she used those 20 minutes to go with the latter option.

Thats terrible judgment. If you think you might be shot for no reason at all, then it certainly doesn't improve your chances to start giving people reasons to shoot you.

I wonder if things like this are what honor duels were about in the past? A way to semi-legally call out someone personally with potentially severe consequences.

Pointing a gun at a kid in a situation like this seems like it should be punishable by itself.

Your civilian scenario isn't exactly congruent because you are missing the legal authority point. If you are a civilian with the authority to search a building (your house when you hear a noise at night for example), then you you would be justified in clearing the building in the same way the police did. The response of deadly force depends on if there are alternatives to that use of force (and greatly varies by state). In this case, the alternative to the occupant using deadly force is to comply with the warrant, and if necessary, sue in court for any damages.

My impression of developing countries was that police are vicious, brutal, and corrupt by default. As opposed to the US where bad cops are the exception. And they have very little oversight. Which countries are you talking about where that's not the case?

I understand the sentiment. I really do. But that is the wrong response when someone is pointing a gun at you. That’s how’s your child loses their father or mother.

Don’t forget that police are trained to shoot to kill. There is no training for “shoot to injure” ... the logic being that if you are injured, you can reach into your clothes and pull out a gun, potentially killing the officer who shot you.

You may not understand this type of situation, but I've experienced the feeling of going from a safe, comfortable environment to being in pain and seeing friends hurt, all in a split second; even with Marine Corps training, I was ready to snap. My hands were shaking, there was a roaring in my ears, and I was ready to kill the first threat I saw. That situation, in my home, with my family? It isn't a choice. We are biological creatures, and there are some reactions that are just biological. It's easy to play armchair general and discount all of the human factors.

I understand and I assume you have weapons stashed around your residence in case of these kind of encounters.

But this family almost certainly did not. If you watch the video, the gun is pointing upstairs, presumably at the husband and children. I doubt the husband has a firearm handy or a means to defend himself for this situation.

So his emotional response to attack without proper weaponry is foolish, unless on the odd chance he’s a trained ninja like you :)

Read through your comment: "I doubt the husband has a firearm handy or a means to defend himself for this situation. So his emotional response to attack without proper weaponry is foolish"

This point of view is speculative, it doesn't come from experience (or even a basic psychological understanding). People do NOT function that way. Maybe they do when playing Call of Duty or watching a Die Hard movie, but not in real life. I can't really impart what it feels like in that sort of situation, but I hope you never have to experience it. You end up needing therapy.

I'd have thought the logic is, "If you want to injure, use a baton. Guns are tools for killing."

Teaching "shoot to injure" would be reckless considering the chances a "wounding" shot ends up killing somebody.

Most training is to shoot “center of mass”. That often kills, yes, but if the goal was to kill (or even kill quickly), tactics like the “Mozambique drill” - two shots center of mass and one shot to the head - would be standard. It’s not. It’s specifically used as training for exceptional circumstances.

How to avoid this:

1) When they show up at your house with a search warrant, let them execute it.

That's it.

My brother, a Portland living, Bernie Sanders voting guy who is in charge of the covid data analysis for a large, global defense contractor (he does it all day, every day) has called her an irresponsible hack from day 1.

Can you do this forever? Just ignore them and stay in your house forever, or at some point are they allowed to escalate the situation?

(serious question)

Her key claim (She refused to "manually change data to drum up support for the plan to reopen."[1]) doesn't appear disputed by any of the counter narrative, which seems mostly about smearing her about a cyberstalking charge related to her personal life and questioning her credentials[1].

> My brother, a Portland living, Bernie Sanders voting guy who is in charge of the covid data analysis for a large, global defense contractor (he does it all day, every day) has called her an irresponsible hack from day 1.

Well that settles it? Although with ESRI crediting her work on the C19 dashboard[3] and Google finding her skills credible enough to work with her on the school opening dashboard[4] I'm think there is some evidence that perhaps your brother-in-law's "day 1 judgement" might have been rushed.

[1] https://www.tallahassee.com/story/news/2020/12/07/rebekah-jo...

[2] https://www.tallahassee.com/story/news/2020/05/21/florida-he...

[3] https://www.esri.com/about/newsroom/blog/scientist-maps-flor...

[4] https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/data-analytics/former-...

Taken from the article:

She claims to be a data scientist.

Her quote:

“Hacking is not something I ever thought they would accuse me of because I have never displayed any capability of doing that,” she said. “I’ve never taken any computer courses or anything like that. I do statistics in a software program designed basically to do all that stuff for you by clicking stuff.”

Yeah, that's the data scientist to hire: someone who "clicks stuff."

Additional quote from article:

"In an affidavit signed by FDLE investigator Noel Pratt on Dec. 3, he concluded the email message was sent to approximately 1,750 accounts before it was discovered. Pratt said in the affidavit that he tracked down the IP address of the computer associated with the email and it directed him to Jones’ home address, which he said was probable cause to conduct a search of her property and seize her computers."

This person is not trustworthy, or qualified as a source. None of her colleagues have corroborated her claims. She was put on a pedestal by a media that desperately wants to attack any governor, especially a Trump ally, who wanted to open their state back up rather than go the lockdown model. It's that simple. I'm not a DeSantis fan at all, but if an anti-vaxxer was crusading against him, I wouldn't give them a platform just to get to him. I'd think about the implications of putting an alarmist with no scientific credentials to speak of on a platform as a weapon against him. She's a GIS specialist with no coding skills. How exactly does that make her qualified to talk about infectious disease data publicly, and to unilaterally change the dashboard she was tasked with maintaining without consulting her boss and/or team? (that's why they fired her)

We can talk all day about the appropriate police response to this kind of crime, but she's not credible as an expert. She's a click jocky who is skilled with Tableau, Qlik, and ESRI. And she's engaged in a deceptive charade of labelling herself a whistleblower, down to the tweets leaving out key information.