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Re:Google staff rally behind fired AI researcher by pinewurst on Friday December 04, 2020 @12:02PM (#25304749)
I'm tired of FAANG "rallies" where the numerator is such a small percentage of the denominator.

I bet one could get "hundreds" of Google employees to rally behind a flat earth and many more for the abolition of mayonnaise.

Re:Google staff rally behind fired AI researcher by jeffbee on Friday December 04, 2020 @12:44PM (#25305363)
Reading down the names, it is indeed the usual woke people who are chronically enraged on corp. G+ and mailing lists and whatever. There's also the person who kept harassing me on corp chat about whether I had a non-binary gender identity. I am so completely done with woke bullshit in the workplace.
Re:Google staff rally behind fired AI researcher by dwaltrip on Friday December 04, 2020 @04:57PM (#25308687)
How hard is it to answer the question or tell them that you would rather not answer? It doesn't sound very difficult.
Re:Google staff rally behind fired AI researcher by bzbz on Saturday December 05, 2020 @05:49AM (#25313500)
As easy as it is to reply to a salesperson’s email
Re:Google staff rally behind fired AI researcher by apta on Friday December 04, 2020 @01:35PM (#25305950)
Why not report them for their harassment? Honestly, corporations should step in and put an end to this woke bs.
Re:Google staff rally behind fired AI researcher by jeffbee on Friday December 04, 2020 @01:44PM (#25306044)
If you think it's a good move to complain to HR against the visible activists who have assigned themselves to a legally protected class, you don't understand this workplace.
Re:Google staff rally behind fired AI researcher by apta on Friday December 04, 2020 @03:26PM (#25307356)
It's unfortunate. It shows their true colors, that they're just after virtue signaling and gaining power, so hopefully people will not listen to their lies anymore.
Re:Google staff rally behind fired AI researcher by p49k on Friday December 04, 2020 @12:05PM (#25304784)
The numerator is such a small percentage because so many fear losing their jobs for speaking out. In that context, this number is quite significant. Even if you disagree with their stance, you have to admit that it takes courage to speak up in these kinds of situations.
Re:Google staff rally behind fired AI researcher by teen on Friday December 04, 2020 @12:29PM (#25305148)
Actually, it's more so the other way. If you agree with her firing, you can't say anything or you are a bigot
Re:Google staff rally behind fired AI researcher by bigphishy on Friday December 04, 2020 @12:06PM (#25304810)
That could be, although it is more than likely a small percentage because so many people do not agree with the cause.
Re:Google staff rally behind fired AI researcher by deeviant on Friday December 04, 2020 @12:09PM (#25304852)
Oh maybe that don't give a fuck and just want their big check?
Re:Google staff rally behind fired AI researcher by scarmig on Friday December 04, 2020 @12:26PM (#25305104)
Realistically, the majority just want this bad PR to go away and for Google to be better at preventing it from getting to this point.
Re:Google staff rally behind fired AI researcher by busterarm on Friday December 04, 2020 @12:09PM (#25304851)
Given the number of people I know who privately think that she resigned rather than got fired and similarly won't speak out (there's tons of internal threads talking about her being fired from what I can tell here), I think it actually is a small percentage.
Re:Google staff rally behind fired AI researcher by ClumsyPilot on Friday December 04, 2020 @12:19PM (#25305001)
> "think that she resigned rather than got fired"

Thats objectively one way or the other - it's not a matter of opinion.

Re:Google staff rally behind fired AI researcher by busterarm on Friday December 04, 2020 @12:48PM (#25305419)
I agree with you: When you say "do X or I quit", that's resigning and not being fired.

There's still a ton of people, including her, who think that she was fired. The amount of pushback from those folks for saying that she resigned has silenced a lot of people, from what I've seen.

Re:Google staff rally behind fired AI researcher by elefanten on Friday December 04, 2020 @12:10PM (#25304868)
Except that the “rallying” aligns with what is now the presumptive, dominant narrative.

It would be courageous to do the opposite.

Re:Google staff rally behind fired AI researcher by colonwqbang on Friday December 04, 2020 @12:16PM (#25304967)
What evidence do you have to support this theory?

Perhaps the people who are not speaking out in agreement with you simply don't agree with you.

Re:Google staff rally behind fired AI researcher by apta on Friday December 04, 2020 @03:26PM (#25307357)
It shows how deluded the far left is honestly, when they think that anyone who doesn't agree with them is afraid to speak up, and not because what the far left stands for is outrageously foolish.
Re:Google staff rally behind fired AI researcher by scarmig on Friday December 04, 2020 @12:31PM (#25305174)
No one at Google worries that signing a petition or Tweeting something is going to get them fired. No one in any kind of position of power reads or cares about these kinds of petitions, and it certainly doesn't ever reach the eyes of anyone on a promo committee.
Re:Google staff rally behind fired AI researcher by apta on Friday December 04, 2020 @12:16PM (#25304958)
> The numerator is such a small percentage because so many fear losing their jobs for speaking out

Or, more likely, they don't are about the whole "woke" movement and don't want anything to do with it.

Re:Google staff rally behind fired AI researcher by svrb on Friday December 04, 2020 @12:36PM (#25305250)
You could make the exact same claim about a flat earth rally.
Re:Google staff rally behind fired AI researcher by oh_sigh on Friday December 04, 2020 @12:10PM (#25304881)
This argument can be made about any unpopular subject.

Americans really want full-blown Communism, but are too afraid of speaking out for fear of retaliation from jack-booted capitalist thugs.

Prove me wrong.

Re:Google staff rally behind fired AI researcher by notSupplied on Friday December 04, 2020 @12:37PM (#25305265)
...and their silence about it only FURTHER proves there exists a mass conspiracy to muffle the voices for -some unpopular cause-
Re:Google staff rally behind fired AI researcher by RhysU on Friday December 04, 2020 @09:42PM (#25311179)
You, sir or madam, aced rhetoric and current events. I applaud you. Science must always be falsifiable.
Re:Google staff rally behind fired AI researcher by mam2 on Friday December 04, 2020 @12:05PM (#25304792)
Or simply most people don't care... No one ever gets fired for just "rallying"
Re:Google staff rally behind fired AI researcher by mnd999 on Friday December 04, 2020 @12:09PM (#25304865)
I don't work for Google but the abolition of mayonnaise is a cause I can get behind.
Re:Google staff rally behind fired AI researcher by dwighttk on Friday December 04, 2020 @12:36PM (#25305246)
Just don’t eat it. Let us unwashed philistines enjoy our mayonnaise.
Re:Google staff rally behind fired AI researcher by dxdm on Friday December 04, 2020 @03:47PM (#25307683)
Abolition don't work, my friend. Are you prepared for the mob running french-fry speakeasies and feuding over moonshine mayonnaise?
Re:Google staff rally behind fired AI researcher by jseliger on Friday December 04, 2020 @12:14PM (#25304926)
I was going to say the same thing: there appear to be 2 - 3 people quoted in tweets. That's a rally?

I do think there's a larger set of questions being asked right now, around how organizations deal with differing viewpoints among their constituents, and how constituents dissent: https://jakeseliger.com/2020/12/03/dissent-insiders-and-outs....

Re:Google staff rally behind fired AI researcher by faitswulff on Friday December 04, 2020 @12:05PM (#25304791)
I bet you could not.
Re:Google staff rally behind fired AI researcher by CydeWeys on Friday December 04, 2020 @12:07PM (#25304822)
Seriously. A hypothetical that hasn't happened isn't a valid rebuttal.
Re:Google staff rally behind fired AI researcher by commandlinefan on Friday December 04, 2020 @02:53PM (#25306897)
> where the numerator is such a small percentage of the denominator

Especially considering that we don't know how many people would have "rallied" in favor of her firing (if there were such a thing), even if we could believe that they could do so without fear of reprisals as those rallying "against" it can.

Re:Google staff rally behind fired AI researcher by Tronno on Friday December 04, 2020 @12:20PM (#25305024)
This is not a valid argument. A company's actions don't have to result in a riot to be worthy of criticism. One meaningful complaint can be enough.
Re:Google staff rally behind fired AI researcher by dnissley on Friday December 04, 2020 @12:24PM (#25305068)
This is an argument against exaggerated headlines, not against criticism of the company involved.