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Re:Google illegally spied on workers before firing them, US ... by inetknght on Wednesday December 02, 2020 @02:21PM (#25280293)
> the work profile is supposed to solve that problem: you only add your corp account and install corp apps in work profile

Wait until your personal phone, with its work profile, comes into scope of a work-related deposition.

You'll find just how paper thin that argument is.

Re:Google illegally spied on workers before firing them, US ... by eschneider on Wednesday December 02, 2020 @02:48PM (#25280666)
Yeah, you haven't lived until you've had all your work email subpoenaed. Been there, done that.
Re:Google illegally spied on workers before firing them, US ... by ehsankia on Wednesday December 02, 2020 @06:39PM (#25283329)
But that's no longer "spying", is it? You just shifted the goal post.
Re:Google illegally spied on workers before firing them, US ... by inetknght on Wednesday December 02, 2020 @09:59PM (#25284783)
> You just shifted the goal post.

Arguably. I don't see it as such though. I see it as: if my phone would be fine in a deposition then I don't have to worry about work spying on their device. But if I have to worry about what work might find out on a device then I'd be a lot more worried about what might show up in a deposition.

What's said in private is supposed to stay private. It helps to demonstrate that it has stayed private if it can't be compelled especially from unrelated circumstances. Whether "private" means discussions with your family, your friends, your coworker, your boss, your commander, your patient, your client...

...it's very important to keep work separate.

Re:Google illegally spied on workers before firing them, US ... by kevincox on Wednesday December 02, 2020 @03:59PM (#25281553)
If they take my phone in court I'm not too concerned. I just don't want them to be able to sniff my personal profile info without me knowing.
Re:Google illegally spied on workers before firing them, US ... by garmaine on Wednesday December 02, 2020 @04:16PM (#25281767)
> I just don't want them to be able to sniff my personal profile info without me knowing.

They will, and you won't. (I've been there.)

Re:Google illegally spied on workers before firing them, US ... by IndexPointer on Friday December 04, 2020 @10:11AM (#25303058)
Care to elaborate? Was this using work profiles?
Re:Google illegally spied on workers before firing them, US ... by IndexPointer on Friday December 04, 2020 @10:08AM (#25303021)
Let's say I don't care about a deposition, but I am only scared of my company spying on my personal activity. Should I be worried if I use a work profile?
Re:Google illegally spied on workers before firing them, US ... by jedimastert on Wednesday December 02, 2020 @03:01PM (#25280842)
This isn't a legal argument as much as a technical one. Work profiles prevent employers from accessing non-work-profile information
Re:Google illegally spied on workers before firing them, US ... by black_puppydog on Wednesday December 02, 2020 @03:26PM (#25281094)
And as a non-legal argument, it won't hold up in a context where anything non-legal essentially doesn't matter.
Re:Google illegally spied on workers before firing them, US ... by phendrenad2 on Wednesday December 02, 2020 @07:07PM (#25283560)
Does this apply to just having Slack on your phone?
Re:Google illegally spied on workers before firing them, US ... by inetknght on Wednesday December 02, 2020 @08:39PM (#25284231)
Slack records a device id when you log in -- have you noticed that you get a notification saying that you've logged in from that device? And a lawyer won't care that it's your personal device. They'll want to see it because it shows up in an audit log from your employer. They'll want to check: have you saved any work content? Have you copy/pasted work messages elsewhere? Just about anything is fair game once the device is identified.
Re:Google illegally spied on workers before firing them, US ... by phendrenad2 on Thursday December 03, 2020 @03:28AM (#25286814)
Well that settles it. Next time I switch companies, I'm getting a separate secondary slack device. Also probably important for keeping the company out of your side-projects.
Re:Google illegally spied on workers before firing them, US ... by joshuamorton on Wednesday December 02, 2020 @03:57PM (#25281526)
Why would my personal phone come under a work-related deposition? Work emails written on my phone might be, but those are accessible without physically taking my phone.
Re:Google illegally spied on workers before firing them, US ... by dylan604 on Wednesday December 02, 2020 @04:09PM (#25281676)
Because some lawyer convinced a judge that there may be pertinent information on it. If there's any suspicion that you may have used your personal device to communicate with co-workers, then they'll want to see it. You can't prove you didn't without turning it over. If they find you didn't use it, then thanks. If they find you did, game over. That's the point of the discovery process. They don't know what information is out there, so they're going to get as much of it as they can and sort it out later.
Re:Google illegally spied on workers before firing them, US ... by joshuamorton on Wednesday December 02, 2020 @04:31PM (#25281919)
> If there's any suspicion that you may have used your personal device to communicate with co-workers, then they'll want to see it.

No, they'll want to see the communication. Which the company will be compelled to provide. The device isn't relevant. (In my, admittedly limited, experience, this is how these processes actually work)

Re:Google illegally spied on workers before firing them, US ... by dylan604 on Wednesday December 02, 2020 @07:57PM (#25283920)
The original discovery request may be something along the lines of "please submit all communications that occurred in an electronic format via printed copies, blah blah leaglese". You then wait until the last day allowed in the discovery request, and then send over what ever print outs you have decided to release. If opposing counsel feels you've left something out (intentionally or otherwise), they can/will go to a judge to get a warrant. That warrant will not state "collect print outs of communications from personal devices". It will state "collect any personal electronic devices".
Re:Google illegally spied on workers before firing them, US ... by joshuamorton on Wednesday December 02, 2020 @08:27PM (#25284141)
> If opposing counsel feels you've left something out

No, this isn't correct. If opposing counsel has evidence[0] that the personal devices have relevant communications not already provided, they can file for a subpoena to have you turn over personal electronic devices. Your counsel can file a counter-motion, and you'll probably have a hearing.

No where will there be a warrant, unless you're in criminal proceedings.

Like I said already: as far as I know, litigation holds and discovery are fairly common, and what you're describing is not. To clarify, this is all assuming you use a work profile and a personal profile.

[0]: I don't necessarily mean evidence in the legal standard, but they need some basis for this. "A feeling" isn't enough.