Re:AIM AV
by alex1 on Thursday May 05, 2011 @11:59PM
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Back in the late 90's and early 00's, I remember discovering a bunch of "internal" AOL sites. Even after posting about them on forums, AOL didn't seem to care much (unless they could be used to steal accounts).
Re:AIM AV
by mgkimsal on Friday May 06, 2011 @06:54AM
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unless they mean only for use on AOL's network, and not cross-network like with gtalk or msn chat. It's worded just awkwardly enough that I could see non-techies making that wording mistake.
Re:AIM AV
by riffic on Thursday May 05, 2011 @11:55PM
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If this is done right AOL would adopt a standard that would allow interoperability.
The way its looking right now in the voice/video messaging scene is we're gonna have communication islands and the only way to reach someone is to run five different service's clients.
Re:AIM AV
by metajack on Friday May 06, 2011 @12:14AM
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Yes. Google did the original work for Jingle, but passed it to the XSF for standardization. That work has been done for some time and implementations have been appearing in various places.
Even so, I suspect it will be a long time before Skype, Apple, and everyone else does anything but try to set their own standards.
Re:AIM AV
by jallmann on Friday May 06, 2011 @03:51AM
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This works over Flash, which means you're confined to RTMP... while it's possible to tunnel a more standard protocol on top of that and open up the other end to third-party clients, (or simply gateway to $protocol), I doubt they've thought that far out yet.
There are pragmatic reasons for the fragmentation we're seeing, although those don't necessarily correspond to the customer's favored outcome. Federation reduces the stickiness coefficient of your product, and forces you to design your application around a protocol that may not fit your needs ideally, cf. Skype's supernode architecture.
re: skype/facetime - if this RTMFP thing picks up, seems like there could be tons of services like this soon. no need for facekype. In some ways, this has been around for a bit, just maybe not a cleanly/easy to develop. tinychat anyone?
Re:AIM AV
by dotBen on Friday May 06, 2011 @12:05AM
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Or someone made an elaborate marketing decision to not have the email sent to TechCrunch team so that then someone internally at aol would leak it to TechCrunch and in turn TechCrunch would be excited to leak it to the public. Thus making everyone seem special and 'in the know' and thus greater chance of it being shared and talked about.
It's extremely easy to create this kind of thing now (as in hours of work for a simple version).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_Time_Media_Flow_Protocol
If you want all that in a single package, no.
I wonder if this is some brilliant marketing ploy.
The way its looking right now in the voice/video messaging scene is we're gonna have communication islands and the only way to reach someone is to run five different service's clients.
Is A/V over XMPP standardized?
Even so, I suspect it will be a long time before Skype, Apple, and everyone else does anything but try to set their own standards.
There are pragmatic reasons for the fragmentation we're seeing, although those don't necessarily correspond to the customer's favored outcome. Federation reduces the stickiness coefficient of your product, and forces you to design your application around a protocol that may not fit your needs ideally, cf. Skype's supernode architecture.
Looks like AOL is still internally testing it, but TC decided to spill the beans.
Like here.