Re:Did Neanderthals go to war with our ancestors?
by 29athrowaway on Friday November 06, 2020 @01:52PM
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Ancient people got confused with fossils. For example, the cyclopes myth may have its origin in the fossils of Pleistocene dwarf elephants, because they look like a giant skull of a one eyed human, if you use your imagination.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyclopes
(see Possible origins section)
Re:Did Neanderthals go to war with our ancestors?
by jdminhbg on Friday November 06, 2020 @02:16PM
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There is a very good book called "The First Fossil Hunters" that deals with discovery and interpretation of fossils in antiquity. Bones of large prehistoric mammals were frequently dug up and displayed as "giants." Some of the more esoteric animals in Herodotus are probably actually references to fossilized dinosaurs.
https://www.amazon.com/First-Fossil-Hunters-Dinosaurs-Mammot...
Re:Did Neanderthals go to war with our ancestors?
by zw123456 on Friday November 06, 2020 @03:45PM
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Also, ancient people would hike up to the top of a hill or mountain and see fossils of sea shells and fish and would accurately conclude that this ground used to be under water. Of course they would have naturally assumed there must have been a helluva flood at one time. Which is perhaps why there are flood myths in so many different cultures.
Re:Did Neanderthals go to war with our ancestors?
by animal_spirits on Friday November 06, 2020 @05:09PM
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I strongly believe the flood myths we find from cultures around the globe is due to the end of the last ice-age and the influx of polar icecap meltwater[0] into the oceans during the incredible global climate catastrophe around that time[1]
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meltwater_pulse_1A [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Younger_Dryas
Re:Did Neanderthals go to war with our ancestors?
by ddalex on Friday November 06, 2020 @12:58PM
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I think this idea definitely deserves a historical fiction book.
Re:Did Neanderthals go to war with our ancestors?
by tshaddox on Friday November 06, 2020 @01:53PM
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Aronofsky’s “Noah” has some pretty interesting depictions of what I believe were fallen angel stone giants intended to represent the Nephilim. I also found it interesting how the depraved human society God sent the floods to destroy was depicted as an industrialized society harvesting some sort of strange resource that was destroying the planet.
Re:Did Neanderthals go to war with our ancestors?
by sparsely on Friday November 06, 2020 @01:35PM
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Not quite the same but The Inheritors by William Golding explores the coexistence of the two groups.
Re:Did Neanderthals go to war with our ancestors?
by pavel_lishin on Friday November 06, 2020 @01:50PM
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So does Robert J. Sawyer's "Neanderthal Parallax" series: https://www.goodreads.com/series/40828-neanderthal-parallax
Re:Did Neanderthals go to war with our ancestors?
by sampo on Friday November 06, 2020 @03:01PM
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Here's one more https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dance_of_the_Tiger
Re:Did Neanderthals go to war with our ancestors?
by singularity2001 on Saturday November 07, 2020 @05:45AM
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"they later inhabited Canaan at the time of the Israelite conquest of Canaan." That would better describe nordic indo europeans than neanderthals, timing wise
Re:Did Neanderthals go to war with our ancestors?
by zarkov99 on Friday November 06, 2020 @02:01PM
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Eaters of the Dead by Michael Chrichton has Neanderthals as the monsters Beowulf fights. Cool movie as well.
Re:Did Neanderthals go to war with our ancestors?
by ColanR on Friday November 06, 2020 @01:08PM
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I wonder where else the Neanderthals might be mentioned in old stories.
Re:Did Neanderthals go to war with our ancestors?
by nwsm on Friday November 06, 2020 @01:54PM
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If by stories you mean written, surely nowhere. There are some 40,000 years between the last Neanderthals and the invention of writing.
Though I’m not even a history hobbyist, it seems incredibly unlikely for those stories to be passed down orally for that long in any distinct manner.
Re:Did Neanderthals go to war with our ancestors?
by simonh on Friday November 06, 2020 @02:33PM
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The Aborigines in one area tell a story of a hill in their lands that one day spouted fire which created the land they live on. It’s actually an extinct volcano that extended the coastline 37,000 years ago creating their wetland habitat. Details linked.
Re:Did Neanderthals go to war with our ancestors?
by yodon on Friday November 06, 2020 @02:16PM
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We know cave paintings were remarkably consistent across extremely wide geographic areas for more than 15,000 years. It's not inconceivable pre-literate cultures could maintain the fundamentals of an oral tradition on these timescales.
Re:Did Neanderthals go to war with our ancestors?
by rtx on Friday November 06, 2020 @01:38PM
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I think most of the stories got reset during the ice age. We may not find may reference.
Re:Did Neanderthals go to war with our ancestors?
by Uhuhreally on Friday November 06, 2020 @01:41PM
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but Neanderthals were short and stupid.
I think the Nephilim, given the way they were described as tall "sons of God" who were "heros" and "warriors of renown" were an African people
Re:Did Neanderthals go to war with our ancestors?
by 29athrowaway on Friday November 06, 2020 @01:55PM
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Some think they are stupid but we know they had 1700 cubic centimeters of brain volume compared to 1200 cubic centimeters for an anatomically modern human.
It is possible that they were not that stupid and they were simply outbred by humans.
Re:Did Neanderthals go to war with our ancestors?
by inglor_cz on Friday November 06, 2020 @02:50PM
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They were certainly very conservative in their stone tool design. Mousterien tools change little over more than 100 000 years of their existence.
Re:Did Neanderthals go to war with our ancestors?
by 29athrowaway on Friday November 06, 2020 @03:56PM
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They also lived in an ice covered world full of lethal megafauna instead of a post ice age world with fertile lands ready for agriculture and smaller animals.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nephilim