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Re:The X.Org Server Is Abandonware? by dang on Sunday October 25, 2020 @04:09PM (#24889479)
Please don't take HN threads into flamewar. However wrong others may be, it's not ok to break the site guidelines by attacking them personally or impugning bad faith. If you have evidence of abuse, that's different—but the bar for 'evidence' obviously has to be higher than other commenters simply holding a different view.

Believe me I understand how frustrating it is when the community or a large subset of commenters seem to be repeatedly and perversely wrong about something. But that is the internet doing its thing. We all run into it on some topic that we know a lot about and/or feel strongly about. It can't be stopped or fixed. All you can do is share some of what you know, and yes, it's Sisyphean because the whole thing is stateless and has to be repeated every time. It won't stop because you ask it to or want it to; "it" is impersonal and doesn't have consciousness to begin with. One needs to accept that for one's own sanity (I hope it's clear that I'm talking from personal experience about this) and then patiently supply corrective information wherever you can and have the energy. Telling people to "fucking knock it off" (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24889242) is only going to hurt both yourself and your cause. We also can't allow it in comments here for obvious reasons (https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html) and we've been pleading with you for years already not to do it.

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24885769.

Re:The X.Org Server Is Abandonware? by ddevault on Sunday October 25, 2020 @04:40PM (#24889708)
> we've been pleading with you for years already not to do it.

The same years during which you've done nothing to prevent the spread of seditious misinformation on Hacker News. If you were better moderators I might take your guidelines more seriously.

My thread with counter-arguments is detached and languishing at the bottom of the page, meanwhile all of the misinformation dominates the conversation comfortably from the top. This is a gross failure of the moderation on HN. Are you a human script, enforcing the guidelines with blinders on? Or are you a moderator, helping to craft thoughtful and good faith discussions, and to combat misinformation and propaganda?

Re:The X.Org Server Is Abandonware? by dang on Sunday October 25, 2020 @04:52PM (#24889790)
Detaching flamewars so that they languish at the bottom of the page is standard HN moderation and the reason we do it should be obvious. If you don't want that to happen, nothing is easier to avoid (from a moderation point of view): simply provide corrective information respectfully. Of course that is not so easy from a personal frustration point of view—that is something every HN user (certainly including me) has to work at.

I definitely don't want to penalize your counterarguments, but if you can't or won't decouple them from guidelines-breakage, what choice do we have? We do just the same with users and threads that are arguing the opposite.

There are two very different issues here: (1) Wayland; (2) protecting the commons. Important as the first one is, the second has to take precedence because it affects every topic, every thread, and the survival of the community.

Re:The X.Org Server Is Abandonware? by ddevault on Sunday October 25, 2020 @04:59PM (#24889838)
The commons are full of propeganda and misinformation at the hands of your policies to "protect" them. Your guidelines are not holy writ, and are unfit for this task.
Re:The X.Org Server Is Abandonware? by mwcampbell on Monday October 26, 2020 @09:57AM (#24896194)
If you had responded with rebuttals to the misinformation in the article and/or comment thread, plus a link to your previous article, without the snarky tone, your comment thread probably wouldn't be languishing at the bottom of the page. It's not enough to be right; tone matters too.
Re:The X.Org Server Is Abandonware? by sergeykish on Monday October 26, 2020 @11:04AM (#24896917)
I completely agree there is a lot of misinformation but you can't fight it with flame, only with facts.

* If phoronix made test maybe we need to make another one.

* If people say it is hard to make application we can show that GTK+ works on both X.Org and Wayland.

* If they say it is impossible to make screenshot show grim.

* If they say X11 networking show bitmaps traveling by network.

* If they say no Wayland improvements show video of tearing.

My arguments buried here too.