Re:Cognitive deficits in people who have recovered from Covi...
by minitech on Wednesday October 21, 2020 @07:47AM
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“not insubstantial” :)
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Re:Cognitive deficits in people who have recovered from Covi...
by dempseye on Wednesday October 21, 2020 @07:53AM
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This is a very English way of expressing oneself.
Re:Cognitive deficits in people who have recovered from Covi...
by taneq on Wednesday October 21, 2020 @07:57AM
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Well it's not unEnglish.
Re:Cognitive deficits in people who have recovered from Covi...
by metalliqaz on Wednesday October 21, 2020 @09:06AM
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"inflammable means flammable?"
Re:Cognitive deficits in people who have recovered from Covi...
by solarkraft on Wednesday October 21, 2020 @09:17AM
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"all but"
Re:Cognitive deficits in people who have recovered from Covi...
by julianlam on Wednesday October 21, 2020 @09:23AM
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I also used to find this disturbing, but
the way I have explained this to myself is --
Insignificant < 25% Not insignificant 25-50% Not significant 50-75% Significant > 75%
Of course for each individual situation the numbers vary, and I use them simply to demonstrate that it's a matter of degrees, and not as binary as you may expect a typical "not" to be.
It is the only double negative I have come to find useful.
Re:Cognitive deficits in people who have recovered from Covi...
by bbarnett on Wednesday October 21, 2020 @10:00AM
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I agree with the 'binary' here, but also add "not bracketed".
For me, I see:
Insignificant < 25% Not insignificant 25%-? Significant > ~75%
With:
Not Significant < Significant
But of course, that's almost certainly a colloquialism.
Re:Cognitive deficits in people who have recovered from Covi...
by shellac on Wednesday October 21, 2020 @10:16AM
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> that's almost certainly a colloquialism.
Probably, although sometimes these become terms of art, i.e. words or phrases with quite a specific meaning in a particular field. (Think of the people who hear 'significant' as '< 5% under null hypothesis', ironically not what Fisher intended)
Re:Cognitive deficits in people who have recovered from Covi...
by bbarnett on Wednesday October 21, 2020 @04:48PM
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Good additional ; agreed!
Re:Cognitive deficits in people who have recovered from Covi...
by dempseye on Thursday October 22, 2020 @03:40AM
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I don't find it disturbing. I think your interpretation is close enough.
Re:Cognitive deficits in people who have recovered from Covi...
by nicwolff on Wednesday October 21, 2020 @11:40AM
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It's the rhetorical figure called "litotes" and has been common in many languages now and throughout linguistic history. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Litotes
Re:Cognitive deficits in people who have recovered from Covi...
by dempseye on Thursday October 22, 2020 @03:42AM
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I am aware. I was not saying that this is a characteristic of the English language, merely that it is more commonly use in the English spoken in England than in the United States, for example.
Re:Cognitive deficits in people who have recovered from Covi...
by justnotworthit on Wednesday October 21, 2020 @10:42AM
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The "not un" has a long history of debate amongst stylists. I believe it's easily overused because it has certain air of erudition about it. However, sometimes "not un" is straightforward and clearer than the alternatives. In this context... well.. science journals have their own English journalese that lives outside general usage.
Re:Cognitive deficits in people who have recovered from Covi...
by mekoka on Wednesday October 21, 2020 @11:03AM
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The double negative has its use beyond language sophistication. It can serve to more specifically mark a neutral stance in a vocabulary that may seem to only offer a dichotomy. e.g. what I have available is I like her and I don't like her, but what I mean to say is I don't dislike her.
Re:Cognitive deficits in people who have recovered from Covi...
by drcongo on Wednesday October 21, 2020 @11:35AM
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That example sentence is a perfect usage of an English double negative, the only thing missing is the emphasis which should be on "dis" - if spoken without the emphasis it becomes simply a statement on not disliking someone without the hint that one also definitely doesn't _like_ the person.