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Re:Netflix is creating a problem by cancelling TV shows too ... by hinkley on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @08:58AM (#24775984)
I think you may be underselling binge-watching.

Lost was a watershed moment in many ways, even though JJ Abrams couldn’t stick the landing. They rushed out the DVDs of season 1 about a month before the season 2 premiere, giving people time to binge the whole show (even the pirates). As long as the streaming services keep the back catalog around, you can always catch up. I have forgotten which show, but there was a network show I stopped watching because they only had the last six episodes on their app. Once I fell seven episodes behind, I didn’t want to keep going, having missed a chunk of the story arc.

There’s a certain level of curiosity for a show that has survived, say, six seasons. They must have something there if they keep going. Maybe I should check it out? Especially if I’m out of other stuff. But is it going to have a satisfying final episode, peter out, or end ina cliff hanger? The more seasons, the higher the likelihood for a wrap up. Two season shows almost always end abruptly.

Re:Netflix is creating a problem by cancelling TV shows too ... by netcan on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @09:04AM (#24776030)
OTOH... it's hard to sell Lost or a GOT to someone who wasn't watched it yet. Lame endings are way worse after 8 seasons. Weakens the whole proposition.
Re:Netflix is creating a problem by cancelling TV shows too ... by lumberingjack on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @11:45AM (#24777929)
I rewatched game of thrones skipped the final season and just left it there actually enjoyed it a lot more
Re:Netflix is creating a problem by cancelling TV shows too ... by raydev on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @03:44PM (#24780695)
I rewatched the entire thing while my partner caught up. I didn't notice it on my first watch, but the first 4 four seasons we're genuinely good, groundbreaking television.

Season 4 is where it started to fall apart. Season 6 through 8 suffered terribly with the shift in writing and structure, and I'd be happy to never watch any of those episodes again.

Re:Netflix is creating a problem by cancelling TV shows too ... by kzrdude on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @04:55PM (#24781488)
GOT got stuck in a strange feedback loop with some of its audience, they adopted some kind of cult of the badass and producing shocking or "badass" moments for social media.
Re:Netflix is creating a problem by cancelling TV shows too ... by vl on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @06:30PM (#24782470)
First books had same shockers, but then he run out of characters to kill.
Re:Netflix is creating a problem by cancelling TV shows too ... by kzrdude on Thursday October 15, 2020 @05:34AM (#24786654)
Maybe you're right that the books didn't give the tv script writers enough fodder for the shock and awe they wanted, but that just shows they were the wrong people to adapt the story for tv.
Re:Netflix is creating a problem by cancelling TV shows too ... by bobthepanda on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @06:50PM (#24782643)
I think that after season 4, individual plots/episodes were still fine (the finale of Season 6 was fairly enjoyable). Season 8 was the exception, where it really felt like the show writers were tapping their watch and going "oh wow look at the time".
Re:Netflix is creating a problem by cancelling TV shows too ... by everdrive on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @03:32PM (#24780568)
If you skip the last 4 seasons it's a masterpiece!
Re:Netflix is creating a problem by cancelling TV shows too ... by ghaff on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @09:10AM (#24776074)
I wouldn't really have trouble selling GoT. "Didn't finish as strong as you might like but it's worth watching so long as you're OK with graphic sex and violence."

But I agree with Lost. "Really original show but it pretty much goes off the rails."

Re:Netflix is creating a problem by cancelling TV shows too ... by vkou on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @02:20PM (#24779780)
The issue with GoT is that the weak finish starts in about Season 5, when so many plot lines go completely off the rails, and everyone sticks with it in the hopes that they will be resolved in a reasonable way. You think: "Surely, there's some kind of payoff or consequences to <important, logic-defying event>. After all, in this universe, one person being killed triggers <an avalanche of world-changing things in seasons 1 and 2>".

To everyone's surprise, there isn't any payoff, and there aren't any consequences.

Re:Netflix is creating a problem by cancelling TV shows too ... by ekianjo on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @02:57PM (#24780226)
> To everyone's surprise, there isn't any payoff, and there aren't any consequences.

It was not really a surprise. As you said things went off the rails for a while already, that was a sign of a bad ending early on. When I saw how quickly they wrapped the Night King in Season 8 I knew all hopes were lost for a good ending.

Re:Netflix is creating a problem by cancelling TV shows too ... by ekianjo on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @02:54PM (#24780185)
Lost's peak was the end episode of Season 1. It was just perfect, emotional, and opening up a whole new world of mysteries with the hatch. Season 2 episode 1 was one of the worst disappointments.
Re:Netflix is creating a problem by cancelling TV shows too ... by Rapzid on Saturday October 17, 2020 @12:37AM (#24807518)
It was clear by the end of season 2 that they were never going to explain anything to you. Ever. I peaced out and have not regretted that decision a day of my life since.
Re:Netflix is creating a problem by cancelling TV shows too ... by klmadfejno on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @09:18AM (#24776165)
> "Didn't finish as strong as you might like but it's worth watching so long as you're OK with graphic sex and violence."

That's a pretty lame sales pitch. I think you meant you wouldn't mind recommending them, but then you wrote out a quote as if it were actually a pitch

Re:Netflix is creating a problem by cancelling TV shows too ... by netcan on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @10:07AM (#24776665)
Exactly.

The "pitch" for catching up on GOT now is much weaker now than it was midway through the series.

Re:Netflix is creating a problem by cancelling TV shows too ... by ghaff on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @09:45AM (#24776436)
Sure. I could go on at length as to why I liked GoT. It obviously isn't for everyone and it got less strong around the time it outpaced the books. But I would recommend it in general.
Re:Netflix is creating a problem by cancelling TV shows too ... by soneca on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @11:07AM (#24777354)
Funny, for me it would be the reverse. I recommend Lost, even without a strong ending. GoT I believe it’s not worth to anyone due to its horrible last season.
Re:Netflix is creating a problem by cancelling TV shows too ... by ekianjo on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @02:56PM (#24780202)
It's not just the last season which is weak in GOT, it's been weak for 2 seasons before already. If anyone did not notice they seriously need to go back and rewatch the first few seasons to compare.
Re:Netflix is creating a problem by cancelling TV shows too ... by soneca on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @03:02PM (#24780264)
I agree. It was getting worse, but still an ok show in my opinion. The last season was just terrible.

An awesome show becoming an ok show and then ending as a terrible show is not worth recommending for anyone.

For me Lost, was a great show, with highs and lows, with fairly good last season, with a very disappointing and confusing last episode. Still worth the ride in my opinion.

Re:Netflix is creating a problem by cancelling TV shows too ... by ekianjo on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @07:34PM (#24783008)
I agree except on your comment on Lost. Lost was just smoke and mirrors all along, with absolutely no pay-off to the unlimited amount of questions they raised year after year. They really thought the audience had no memories at all.
Re:Netflix is creating a problem by cancelling TV shows too ... by bryanrasmussen on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @02:55PM (#24780200)
I think it depends on your personality, are you a person who likes things to hang together coherently and think that when a narrative implies something will be resolved it should be resolved (that is to say if you see Chekhov's gun, they keep talking about it, and it never goes off - do you get really upset?) well, if you're that kind of person you will be pissed off about Lost. You might also dislike GoT (can't say haven't seen, but I'm that kind of person and not going to risk it)

If you feel characterization is the most important thing, and the emotional connection to characters or having highly evocative emotional moments in the narrative is what makes it worthwhile then you will probably like Lost quite a bit, but you might hate GoT (given my understanding that the last season fucked up major characters for shock value - I can't speak directly to it as I haven't watched it)

So based on that my wife still talks about how great Lost was, and if it gets brought up the first words out of my mouth will not be complimentary.

Re:Netflix is creating a problem by cancelling TV shows too ... by tomjen3 on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @09:42AM (#24776402)
I hate the ending of GOT, but I will also admit that had it been a normal show then ending would have been below average, but not terrible. With the budget GOT had (or could get) it was inexcusably bad, but if you go in knowing that it won't live up to the rest of the series it is not terrible.
Re:Netflix is creating a problem by cancelling TV shows too ... by leetcrew on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @09:11AM (#24776094)
this could be true, but it doesn't really make sense to me. a bad ending could certainly sour a movie for me, but a long running TV show could have a hundred hours of quality content that goes out with a fizzle. doesn't make it not worth watching.

I'm not sure I would recommend your examples to a friend though. GOT started going downhill around season 5; it wasn't just the ending that was bad. I'm sure people would disagree with me here, but I think lost hasn't aged very well. it was a good show only by the mediocre standards of '00s TV.

Re:Netflix is creating a problem by cancelling TV shows too ... by jacobion on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @09:31AM (#24776303)
Binge-watching on streaming services is a double-edged sword. On the one hand, people can jump into a show after missing the first season and hearing good things about it. On the other hand, something I might have started watching every week on network tv, I might decide to wait and see. I know I can watch it later for no additional cost if it turns out to be great.

Now the show is under a lot of pressure to maintain a level of buzz around it. But I also might not watch it if it seems like an okay show but the moment has passed.

I low-key wanted to watch GoT when it was on. Now I wouldn't bother, because all the people I could talk to about it have already watched it and are sick of it.

Re:Netflix is creating a problem by cancelling TV shows too ... by hinkley on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @04:22PM (#24781130)
Einstein is misquoted as saying compound interest is one of the most powerful forces in the universe.

Procrastination is surely in the top five.

Re:Netflix is creating a problem by cancelling TV shows too ... by cvhashim on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @09:20AM (#24776184)
> There’s a certain level of curiosity for a show that has survived, say, six seasons.

Not really. Some shows just get milked dry and pass their expiration dates. For example Walking Dead or even The Simpsons. There’s value to an artist who can tell a story in 1-2 seasons.

Re:Netflix is creating a problem by cancelling TV shows too ... by ghaff on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @09:07AM (#24776054)
I certainly hate it when shows I like get canceled and they don't get a chance to have a final episode that works as a series finale.

A challenge here for a long series though is that it's a pretty high bar to get people to retrospectively binge watch many hours of episodes. But streaming does help. (As time shifting did to some degree before.) The serial model has probably become so popular in part because it's a much better match with streaming (even if everything doesn't drop at once) than with traditional broadcast.