Re:iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 Pro
by read_if_gay_ on Tuesday October 13, 2020 @02:37PM
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Zero photos where you can actually see how thick the bezels are on the 12 Pro's product page. Guess it's safe to assume it'll be pretty disappointing considering how much they talked about thinner bezels.
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You can divine it from the tech specs page by comparing the screen size to your existing phone.
Looking at specs, the 12 (and 12 Pro) has the same 6.1" screen size as the XR/11 did, but body length and width are both about 4mm smaller. So that's ~2mm less bezel all around presumably.
Where are you seeing this? On the Apple site they list the 12 pro as being 146.7mm x 71.5mm whereas the 11 Pro was 144mm x 71.4 mm. That's a larger surface area than the 11 Pro, not smaller.
I was comparing the 12 and 12 Pro to the base 11 and XR, not the 11 Pro. Base 11 and XR had the same 6.1" screen size as the 12 lineup, the 11 Pro has a smaller screen (5.85", identical to the X/XS and not present in the 12 lineup anymore).
Ah right. I'd forgotten the 11 was smaller than the 11 Pro.
I HATE thin bezels. I actually returned my Galaxy S10 because palm-misclicks dove me crazy. After 19 days of practice and different grips, random clicks didn't get any better.
Re:iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 Pro
by lucasmullens on Tuesday October 13, 2020 @03:10PM
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Apple might be better at detecting if it's your palm or an intentional tap. MacBook trackpads are great at detecting palm vs finger, so I wouldn't be surprised if the iPhone does well with that too.
Re:iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 Pro
by shadowgovt on Tuesday October 13, 2020 @03:15PM
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It's kind of fascinating how subtle the math and engineering on this sort of thing is.
I can't stand how, after this many decades of iteration, the Lenovo ThinkPad still mis-comprehends accidentally brushing against the trackpad while you're typing (and the form factor of the whole keyboard / trackpad combo does one no favors unless one touches the keyboard like a hook-handed monster).
In Linux this is a solved problem by a very simple measure. The gestures (click by tapping, scrolling) are turned off while you type for a short period of time (around 300ms) after each key-press. It works surprisingly well and I've never noticed the trackpad not working when I need it too.
I have -- attempting to play Minecraft on a touchpad, or just multitasking real quick. While not a huge problem, macOS does it better and the simple measure is just that - a simple measure.
Re:iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 Pro
by vermilingua on Tuesday October 13, 2020 @05:34PM
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That far from solves the problem. Your workflow might never require using the keyboard and trackpad simultaneously, but for the majority of users, this “simple measure” is a never ending source of pain.
Re:iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 Pro
by shadowgovt on Tuesday October 13, 2020 @07:10PM
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Sadly, it doesn't work. It addresses the issue of nudging the pad while typing, but not nudging the pad while moving your hand into position to type.
One thing I dream of and will never get is a Thinkpad without a trackpad. Just remove it, give me bigger keyboard, keep the track point and its buttons. I disable the trackpad anyway but it's still annoying just being there and crippling the keyboard functionality.
Re:iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 Pro
by selimnairb on Tuesday October 13, 2020 @03:23PM
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I disagree. The aircraft carrier sized trackpads of the recent MBPs continues to register errant clicks for me. They are just way too big.
Yeah, I especially like it when I'm in the middle of a long email and some sort of click with my palm happens and it deletes most of what I've been typing. Just happened to me today. Be nice if there was a way to totally deactivate the trackpad if you were using a mouse or something.
https://osxdaily.com/2017/01/05/disable-built-in-trackpad-ma...
My 10yo MBP's trackpad glitches so I do exactly this to keep it usable for kids light usage.
Re:iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 Pro
by trackpadlover on Tuesday October 13, 2020 @03:49PM
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So, just to give you data on the other side of the curve: the very large trackpads are basically the only reason left (keyboard now sucks, magsafe is gone) for me to use a MacBook Pro.
Should I in the future revert to Linux as a day-to-day driver, it would probably be conditioned on similar-level support for the (even larger :-D) Magic Trackpad peripheral.
So I guess this is one of these things where YMMV
Edit: FWIW I'm a touch typist with relatively small hands. Maybe this has to do with it. I cannot remember accidentally triggering the trackpad ever since... I can't remember the last time, it's been at least half a decade.
Would thicker case help this problem?
At a certain point, does the bezel thickness matter anymore? Surely not to me.
It matters to me, in the sense that I prefer to have some bezel left so I can actually hold onto the phone without accidentally pressing things on the screen.
Re:iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 Pro
by binaryblitz on Tuesday October 13, 2020 @03:00PM
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Have you tried with an iPhone? Legit curious as I'm about to switch from a Pixel 2XL. I didn't think I'd like the giant trackpad on my MBP, but Apple does a good job with rejection about 99.9% of the time.
Now if they would please do the touch bar.
Maybe there's an opportunity for aftermarket bezels? Bezels can always be added, but never taken away.
Re:iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 Pro
by intrasight on Tuesday October 13, 2020 @03:58PM
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I get an extra 5mm bezel from my case ;)
You’re holding it wrong.
Re:iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 Pro
by cercatrova on Tuesday October 13, 2020 @03:10PM
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It matters to me. I want as close to 0 bezel as physically possible.
Is the fact that wanting thinner bezels when they are 5mm wide != wanting thinner bezels when they are 1mm wide, really something that needs pointing out? Apparently so.
Re:iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 Pro
by bonestamp2 on Tuesday October 13, 2020 @05:18PM
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I can see where the screen ends and the bezel begins on the compare page. Turning up your screen's brightness and/or contrast might help.
…isn't there one the moment you scroll down?
Re:iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 Pro
by read_if_gay_ on Tuesday October 13, 2020 @02:47PM
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Conveniently the image on the display has a black background so you can't make out the bezels. Or maybe, we're being served different pages.
Re:iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 Pro
by metafunctor on Tuesday October 13, 2020 @02:52PM
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I can see it pretty clearly. Maybe turn up your screen’s brightness?
Re:iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 Pro
by read_if_gay_ on Tuesday October 13, 2020 @02:57PM
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Yep, that actually made a pretty big difference. Thanks.
More like you really need to adjust your monitor’s contrast.
(We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24768339.)