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Re:How does a gas pump know to shut itself off? (1981) by TedDoesntTalk on Saturday October 10, 2020 @08:48PM (#24743026)
> people drive off with the nozzle still in their car surprisingly often

I did this in the late 80s. The handle ripped off and was not magnetically attached. However, gas did not spill from the hose.

I drove back to the station and handed it to the attendant sheepishly. He said thanks.

Re:How does a gas pump know to shut itself off? (1981) by EvanAnderson on Saturday October 10, 2020 @09:10PM (#24743106)
The breakaways on the dispensers I worked with in the early 90's had shear pins and were mechanical. We lost 1 or 2 a year at our station in rural Ohio.
Re:How does a gas pump know to shut itself off? (1981) by mcot2 on Sunday October 11, 2020 @12:56AM (#24743830)
I’m happy to report that this may be fixed going forward. Tesla and I think most EV’s will not let you in drive while plugged in.
Re:How does a gas pump know to shut itself off? (1981) by sargun on Sunday October 11, 2020 @01:05AM (#24743852)
Funny story, I broke a plug while undoing it (there was some jank), and it refused to let me go faster than ~5mph. I needed the service station to remove the adapter.
Re:How does a gas pump know to shut itself off? (1981) by YPCrumble on Sunday October 11, 2020 @07:47AM (#24745141)
That sounds like a dangerous design flaw. What does “some jank” mean?
Re:How does a gas pump know to shut itself off? (1981) by Lammy on Sunday October 11, 2020 @03:56AM (#24744362)
I fear any car that can refuse to let me drive. There's no way they couldn't trigger that remotely in an individualized way.
Re:How does a gas pump know to shut itself off? (1981) by kube-system on Sunday October 11, 2020 @10:05AM (#24745852)
Any vehicle with Onstar has this as an intentional feature. The feature was introduced in 2009.

Electronic ignition interlocks have been common on most vehicles over the past 20 years too... the only reason you can't remotely prevent most other cars from starting is simply software.

https://www.toyota.com/connected-services/remoteconnect/

https://owner.ford.com/fordpass/fordpass-sync-connect.html

https://www.nissanusa.com/connect/features-apps.html

https://www.hyundaiusa.com/us/en/blue-link

etc...

Since all the hardware exists, all you have to do is find an exploit: https://www.wired.com/2015/07/hackers-remotely-kill-jeep-hig...

Re:How does a gas pump know to shut itself off? (1981) by Lammy on Sunday October 11, 2020 @12:37PM (#24746999)
Thanks for helping raise awareness about these too. It’s a scary world out there when the devices people rely on can work against them on the whim of another.
Re:How does a gas pump know to shut itself off? (1981) by dannyw on Sunday October 11, 2020 @05:19AM (#24744629)
Imagine a $5000 ransom popping up in your HUD or your car will automatically drive off a bridge.

Doors and windows are locked and you have 120 seconds.

Re:How does a gas pump know to shut itself off? (1981) by rightbyte on Sunday October 11, 2020 @06:41AM (#24744882)
As long as it is not brake by wire you are fine for ransoms if you are stationary.

I am quite scared of internet connected cars that can steer the wheel automatically though. That is madness.

Re:How does a gas pump know to shut itself off? (1981) by ClumsyPilot on Sunday October 11, 2020 @06:39AM (#24744875)
Thats not a good plan - most people wont be able to transfer $5000 in 120 seconds just because it is not sitting in the cureen t account tied to your card.
Re:How does a gas pump know to shut itself off? (1981) by dannyw on Sunday October 11, 2020 @07:48AM (#24745146)
It will use hacked Equifax credit reports to generate an amount that you are most likely to have with 95% confidence.

Secondly, Tesla owners tend to be more affluent. Imagine a cyberpunk world where ransomware attacks are a fact of life: buy cheap cars with reasonable security and minimise your total cost of ownership. Heh.

Re:How does a gas pump know to shut itself off? (1981) by 6510 on Sunday October 11, 2020 @11:13PM (#24751088)
you can do small installments and make it seem normal
Re:How does a gas pump know to shut itself off? (1981) by ragazzina on Monday October 12, 2020 @03:51AM (#24752310)
You choose "PAY", put in your bank account PIN, the car drives off the bridge anyway and the virus erases itself from the car.
Re:How does a gas pump know to shut itself off? (1981) by caf on Monday October 12, 2020 @09:25PM (#24761375)
It would be much better for future business to have stories circulating from people who were safe after paying the ransom.
Re:How does a gas pump know to shut itself off? (1981) by dotancohen on Sunday October 11, 2020 @05:34AM (#24744684)
It is very likely that whatever you are driving today, if it was manufactured in the past two decades in Europe, North America, Brazil, Korea, or Japan, will not let you shift into Drive (automatic) without depressing the brake pedal.
Re:How does a gas pump know to shut itself off? (1981) by MertsA on Sunday October 11, 2020 @07:57AM (#24745191)
And there's also universally an override to that interlock and the manual tells you exactly where it is. Usually you just pop off a little cover on the gear shift and depress a mechanical button under that cover with the key to the car or any thin enough piece of metal long enough to reach. If Tesla doesn't have something equivalent for charging cables that can be used by the owner then that's a flaw with Tesla. There's a reason why everyone else has an override.
Re:How does a gas pump know to shut itself off? (1981) by harlanji on Sunday October 11, 2020 @01:08AM (#24743859)
Closes the market to external power banks. Perhaps add a bit to detect the type of power supply.
Re:How does a gas pump know to shut itself off? (1981) by TwoBit on Saturday October 10, 2020 @11:02PM (#24743458)
I drove off with nozzle once because it was my first time filling my new German car, which has the port on the right, which I wasn't used to.
Re:How does a gas pump know to shut itself off? (1981) by darkerside on Saturday October 10, 2020 @09:33PM (#24743198)
Thanks is an amazing response to this
Re:How does a gas pump know to shut itself off? (1981) by rjmorris on Saturday October 10, 2020 @08:52PM (#24743044)
How far did you get from the station before you realized it and turned back?
Re:How does a gas pump know to shut itself off? (1981) by lostlogin on Saturday October 10, 2020 @09:30PM (#24743184)
Not the OP but the cashier at the Wendy’s drive-through pointed it out to the driver when I was a passenger. I think the passengers laughter could be measured in litre of tears.
Re:How does a gas pump know to shut itself off? (1981) by TedDoesntTalk on Sunday October 11, 2020 @01:58PM (#24747676)
About 1/2 a kilometer. I stopped the car, removed the handle, and drove back to the gas station.

The attendant had been outside, so he saw it happen. In fact he had pumped the gas (this was not self-serve).

And when I came back, holding the nozzle in my hand, he was dumbfounded.