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Re:How does a gas pump know to shut itself off? (1981) by Lammy on Sunday October 11, 2020 @03:56AM (#24744362)
I fear any car that can refuse to let me drive. There's no way they couldn't trigger that remotely in an individualized way.
Re:How does a gas pump know to shut itself off? (1981) by kube-system on Sunday October 11, 2020 @10:05AM (#24745852)
Any vehicle with Onstar has this as an intentional feature. The feature was introduced in 2009.

Electronic ignition interlocks have been common on most vehicles over the past 20 years too... the only reason you can't remotely prevent most other cars from starting is simply software.

https://www.toyota.com/connected-services/remoteconnect/

https://owner.ford.com/fordpass/fordpass-sync-connect.html

https://www.nissanusa.com/connect/features-apps.html

https://www.hyundaiusa.com/us/en/blue-link

etc...

Since all the hardware exists, all you have to do is find an exploit: https://www.wired.com/2015/07/hackers-remotely-kill-jeep-hig...

Re:How does a gas pump know to shut itself off? (1981) by Lammy on Sunday October 11, 2020 @12:37PM (#24746999)
Thanks for helping raise awareness about these too. It’s a scary world out there when the devices people rely on can work against them on the whim of another.
Re:How does a gas pump know to shut itself off? (1981) by dannyw on Sunday October 11, 2020 @05:19AM (#24744629)
Imagine a $5000 ransom popping up in your HUD or your car will automatically drive off a bridge.

Doors and windows are locked and you have 120 seconds.

Re:How does a gas pump know to shut itself off? (1981) by rightbyte on Sunday October 11, 2020 @06:41AM (#24744882)
As long as it is not brake by wire you are fine for ransoms if you are stationary.

I am quite scared of internet connected cars that can steer the wheel automatically though. That is madness.

Re:How does a gas pump know to shut itself off? (1981) by ClumsyPilot on Sunday October 11, 2020 @06:39AM (#24744875)
Thats not a good plan - most people wont be able to transfer $5000 in 120 seconds just because it is not sitting in the cureen t account tied to your card.
Re:How does a gas pump know to shut itself off? (1981) by dannyw on Sunday October 11, 2020 @07:48AM (#24745146)
It will use hacked Equifax credit reports to generate an amount that you are most likely to have with 95% confidence.

Secondly, Tesla owners tend to be more affluent. Imagine a cyberpunk world where ransomware attacks are a fact of life: buy cheap cars with reasonable security and minimise your total cost of ownership. Heh.

Re:How does a gas pump know to shut itself off? (1981) by 6510 on Sunday October 11, 2020 @11:13PM (#24751088)
you can do small installments and make it seem normal
Re:How does a gas pump know to shut itself off? (1981) by ragazzina on Monday October 12, 2020 @03:51AM (#24752310)
You choose "PAY", put in your bank account PIN, the car drives off the bridge anyway and the virus erases itself from the car.
Re:How does a gas pump know to shut itself off? (1981) by caf on Monday October 12, 2020 @09:25PM (#24761375)
It would be much better for future business to have stories circulating from people who were safe after paying the ransom.
Re:How does a gas pump know to shut itself off? (1981) by dotancohen on Sunday October 11, 2020 @05:34AM (#24744684)
It is very likely that whatever you are driving today, if it was manufactured in the past two decades in Europe, North America, Brazil, Korea, or Japan, will not let you shift into Drive (automatic) without depressing the brake pedal.
Re:How does a gas pump know to shut itself off? (1981) by MertsA on Sunday October 11, 2020 @07:57AM (#24745191)
And there's also universally an override to that interlock and the manual tells you exactly where it is. Usually you just pop off a little cover on the gear shift and depress a mechanical button under that cover with the key to the car or any thin enough piece of metal long enough to reach. If Tesla doesn't have something equivalent for charging cables that can be used by the owner then that's a flaw with Tesla. There's a reason why everyone else has an override.