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Re:Show HN: SmartGuitarAmp – Guitar plugin made with deep le... by dmacvicar on Saturday October 10, 2020 @08:30PM (#24742961)
I never saw the point of getting a real tube amp unless you play exclusively in a studio or rehearsal room.

The volume required to crank and get the best of it sounds it makes it too loud for almost any residential area.

One of the best features of modeling amps is that you can get the sound of a cranked amp set at a high volume, with low/moderate real volume or even with head-phones.

Even in a rehearsal room, real amps are too loud and make the band members start competing for volume. Low stage volume and in-ear-monitoring allows me to play better.

Re:Show HN: SmartGuitarAmp – Guitar plugin made with deep le... by irscott on Sunday October 11, 2020 @07:47AM (#24745139)
This is really only an issue if you're driving 100 watt amps to the brink to get higher gain. You can buy 20 and even 10 watt tube amps that sound fantastic and are much more manageable.

Guitar players always think you need a gigantic marshall stack to get good tone when for most people that is way too much and they'll never hear it the way it's supposed to sound.

Re:Show HN: SmartGuitarAmp – Guitar plugin made with deep le... by costcopizza on Saturday October 10, 2020 @09:58PM (#24743285)
Low wattage tube amps exist.
Re:Show HN: SmartGuitarAmp – Guitar plugin made with deep le... by gltchkrft on Saturday October 10, 2020 @10:13PM (#24743326)
You can also just get an attenuator. Then you can turn up your tube amp and still get the power amp distortion, but you can reduce the volume.
Re:Show HN: SmartGuitarAmp – Guitar plugin made with deep le... by klodolph on Saturday October 10, 2020 @10:00PM (#24743291)
Low wattage is still too loud for home / apartment. You need something in the milliwatt range, and those are (unfortunately) very rare. They’re not too hard to make but there is some extra expense and there are some patents in that territory.
Re:Show HN: SmartGuitarAmp – Guitar plugin made with deep le... by wk_end on Saturday October 10, 2020 @11:12PM (#24743485)
Milliwatts? Rubbish. Kids have been playing rock and roll through AC15s or 22W Deluxe Reverbs (or louder!) in garages and basements for decades. A 5W Champ or similar certainly can get loud but is fine for bedroom or apartment use, at least during daytime hours.

As a teenager I played a Hot Rod Deluxe (40W!) in my parents' basement with no real complaints.

Re:Show HN: SmartGuitarAmp – Guitar plugin made with deep le... by klodolph on Saturday October 10, 2020 @11:44PM (#24743570)
Crank your AC15 and play it in the basement, it will destroy your hearing pretty fast without protection. I used to take a homemade 5W amp outside and hear it echo in the woods. Fun times. Quick math—the Vox AC15 has speakers with around 100 dB SPL@1m,1W sensitivity, so if you’re cranked then it’s +24dB, and if you’re 2m away then that’s -12dB, and that’s 112 dB SPL, somewhere around “car horn” or “chainsaw” on the loudness chart. Medical literature puts it at under 1 minute before permanent hearing damage.

It’s not like a stereo where 15W is weak. A 15W guitar amp is pretty damn loud.

If you don’t crank it then I don’t see the point. Or don’t hear it, anyway. I can’t stand the sound of a clean Vox. It’s gotta have some grit.

Re:Show HN: SmartGuitarAmp – Guitar plugin made with deep le... by whiddershins on Sunday October 11, 2020 @07:41AM (#24745117)
I’d really like a citation on the medical literature portion of your comment.

I am under the impression I am well read on this topic, and I don’t recognize that claim.

Re:Show HN: SmartGuitarAmp – Guitar plugin made with deep le... by irscott on Sunday October 11, 2020 @07:49AM (#24745151)
Why would you need to crank it at all? That amp is gonna sound fantastic at half volume. For grit they make excellent overdrives these days.
Re:Show HN: SmartGuitarAmp – Guitar plugin made with deep le... by klodolph on Sunday October 11, 2020 @11:09AM (#24746275)
It takes all kinds. If you’re running your tube amp below breakup, you might as well just use a solid state amp. It’s only under overdrive conditions that you get compression. Outside overdrive conditions, there is not really any clue that you are using a tube amp. Mostly linear is mostly linear.

It could be that you just like the volume. The speakers in the AC15 are fantastic. Or it could be you don’t think of it as gritty, but I do.

Re:Show HN: SmartGuitarAmp – Guitar plugin made with deep le... by ryanSrich on Sunday October 11, 2020 @09:17AM (#24745555)
I have and have restored a few fender blues juniors and they are all quiet enough for residential. Just crank the volume but keep the master at 1-1.5. It’s not ideal, but you do get the desired sound.
Re:Show HN: SmartGuitarAmp – Guitar plugin made with deep le... by asdff on Sunday October 11, 2020 @02:16AM (#24744091)
Not true at all. My tube amp can get down to barely louder than strumming unplugged. Certainly no louder than my TV at typical volume. 20 watts.
Re:Show HN: SmartGuitarAmp – Guitar plugin made with deep le... by dharma1 on Sunday October 11, 2020 @05:37AM (#24744693)
You can get reactive load attenuators to get the driven amp sound without the volume
Re:Show HN: SmartGuitarAmp – Guitar plugin made with deep le... by ryanSrich on Saturday October 10, 2020 @08:50PM (#24743035)
Well the point is the tone. Modeling amps have come a long way, but nothing compares to the real thing.

Of course, most people won’t be able to tell the difference, but many musicians tend to prefer analog.

Re:Show HN: SmartGuitarAmp – Guitar plugin made with deep le... by mysterydip on Saturday October 10, 2020 @09:23PM (#24743162)
If most people (ie your audience) can't tell the difference, then why go with it?
Re:Show HN: SmartGuitarAmp – Guitar plugin made with deep le... by klodolph on Saturday October 10, 2020 @10:12PM (#24743322)
Take it as a fact that you’ll commonly have higher standards than your audience. This applies to software, actors, musicians, whatever.

That, and your experience affects your performance. It’s easier for an actor to act in a room full of props and other actors, versus a green screen. Easier for a musician to make music with the gear and tone that they prefer.

Re:Show HN: SmartGuitarAmp – Guitar plugin made with deep le... by IndySun on Sunday October 11, 2020 @07:02AM (#24744956)
"...Take it as a fact that you’ll commonly have higher standards than your audience. This applies to software, actors, musicians, whatever..."

Can you explain this a bit more? I do not see this is commonly true, it is the exception and not the rule in many cases of 'someone and their audience'.

It might be true that that 'someone' believes it, however misguided.

Re:Show HN: SmartGuitarAmp – Guitar plugin made with deep le... by TheOtherHobbes on Sunday October 11, 2020 @09:47AM (#24745727)
Any form of art or engineering requires a huge amount of background knowledge and/or practice experience, and artists and engineers should have a better grasp of the technicalities than the audience.

But audiences tend not to care about specifics. They care if you can live up to expectations and provide the experience they expect. So if a performance is lacklustre, or a piece of software is stupidly designed from their POV, they'll know something has gone wrong - but they won't know (or care) exactly why.

Amateurs and wannabes tend to fethishise equipment instead of art. There's a lot of "If only I had that equipment I could do this properly."

The reality is that expensive pro-grade equipment only ever adds a final layer of polish. It's also good at not getting in the way with unnecessary frills and complications.

So a world-class professional with a budget guitar will always outplay and outperform an amateur with a pro-league instrument. No exceptions. And a professional photographer will always take better photos with your phone than you will. And so on.

The professional may notice some polish is missing and they may have to work harder than usual - but they will be able to do the job, while an amateur won't, no matter what they're using.

Re:Show HN: SmartGuitarAmp – Guitar plugin made with deep le... by analog31 on Sunday October 11, 2020 @12:19PM (#24746834)
Indeed, and I'm conscious of this as an amateur with a pro-league instrument. ;-) I spent many years playing a student grade instrument, had used it for countless performances, and nobody ever complained about my sound.

But a nicer instrument is a pleasure to have, and provides me with the assurance that anything wrong with my sound is strictly a matter of improving my own abilities. So it's a challenge to live up to the quality of my instrument.

Re:Show HN: SmartGuitarAmp – Guitar plugin made with deep le... by analog31 on Saturday October 10, 2020 @11:26PM (#24743527)
I'm not an electric guitarist, but this is a dilemma that every musician faces at some point. Being a musician can involve an obsession for quality that can't be explained in utilitarian terms.

One thing is that the audience only has to tolerate your sound for a couple of hours, and can always seek refuge at the bar or just go home. You have to hear it over and over, night after night. You also have to hear it at home. As an amateur, most of my playing time occurs in my own living room.

Another thing is that there's a layer of the performance above the basic sound of the instruments, that the audience might perceive even if they can't quite put their finger on what it is. It's what separates a great performance from a dull one. We're all trying to find what that thing is, and it involves exploration on many fronts, including how we choose and optimize our instruments.

Re:Show HN: SmartGuitarAmp – Guitar plugin made with deep le... by gltchkrft on Saturday October 10, 2020 @10:14PM (#24743334)
It's harder to tell the difference when recorded (although it's not that hard). The bigger problem is around what it feels like to play. Even the best modelers do not have the "feel" of a tube amp and that will influence the way you play.
Re:Show HN: SmartGuitarAmp – Guitar plugin made with deep le... by ThomPete on Saturday October 10, 2020 @11:56PM (#24743607)
because it will make a difference to you and you will play better.