Whoah. Not my experience at all, and I suspect not a lot of other people’s experience either.

This is only true if you prioritize car ownership. I have a crappy car that isn’t fun to drive, and I’m happy with that.

But is it better than your previous car?

There are plenty of reasons one would switch from a car that they love driving to a car that is less enjoyable to drive, but still acceptable.

For example, switching from an expensive Audi car with fantastic handling to a mid-range Mazda diesel because it's much cheaper to run. Or because you live in a city and decide that you want a smaller car for easier parking.

Or because you want to switch to an EV, and can't afford a Tesla. I'm sure a Nissan Leaf is a lot less enjoyable to drive than many similarly priced ICE cars.

I've been considering the EV jump.

I know it'll be a downgrade from my current car, but my wife can't help but to stare longly at the empty HOV lane during rush hour.

In a more realistic and practical way, an EV will end up being the "faster" car after all.

Maybe? Depends.

But it is laughably far from the “best car [I] have ever driven" - which was the quote I was responding to, and which is the basis for the parents’ argument.

Most people I know make compromises as they get older due to having kids and needing space, or for the sake of safety, or because they overspent and were shy about making that mistake twice.

Out of the people I know, most say the best car they ever drove was usually something incredibly engaging and fun, but unreliable and terribly unsafe by modern standards.

My dad's 70, and my entire lifetime he's never shut up about how great the little british sports cars he drove in his 20s were. Most exciting car he's owned by a long-shot in my lifetime was a Saab 9-2 Aero.

I reckon there's two peaks, one when you're young and dumb enough to just go for what you want, and again when you're old and rich enough to buy what you want again. Between that everyone's hauling around kids or just trying to save money.

There might be a different envelope for people with company cars. My dad taught at a university, and drove a Fiesta, then went to work at IBM and had an Audi A4, then retired, and now drives a nondescript Honda with a cracked bumper.

Yeah I mean I used to drive a Mustang and got unsolicited compliments all the time. It was a fun car to drive. I have an Accord now. Its fine. its reliable. Its lacking a 1000 watt stereo and wont push me back into the seats, and while I do wax it as well, I dont get the pride of polishing something beautiful.

I wouldn't really call it better, just... different.

As long as you got it on your own Accord it's fine.

That only holds for people who never rent a car (or only rent cars as good as or worse than the car they own) and never drive a friend's car (or have friends with worse cars).

I don't think that encompasses "pretty much everyone".

Generally, i'd agree with you except my current experience...

I borrowed a 2019 Tesla 3 last summer from a friend while he was out of the country. Really fun, and I overall really enjoyed the electronics on it.

Afterward I had my finger over the buy button to order a Tesla, but after finding out that in my state, the insurance for someone with an entirely clean driving record in their 30's was still around $400/month, making the total cost including loan nearly $1000/month. I just didn't need that type of expense in my life right now, given I work from home (I made this decision Oct 2019, and in retrospect, wow how right I was).

This spring, I bought a 2005 Porsche Boxster instead for $15k. What a car! It's not as fast as the Tesla, but is way more fun to drive, turns more heads, and has held up significantly better than I can imagine a Tesla holding up. It doesn't have auto driving, but even on a 13 hours road trip you want to drive it the entire time. More comfortable in every regard, with a much better suspension too!

Yep, buy interesting used cars - they're a much better deal, especially if you can take the time to wait for a good deal rather than needing to buy a car right now...

Umm, I had an X5 and a Hyundai Sonata before that. Was definitely not the best car I have driven

That covers roughly how many decades of cars and redesigns of each of those models?

i don't pretend that the plural of anecdote is data, but i briefly owned an aston martin db9 convertible (my dream car), and a tesla model s p90dl. after a few weeks of every day waking up, looking at two sets of keys, and picking the tesla, i decided to sell the aston.

oops not that anyone cares but i realize my comment might be misleading. i owned the aston for years, and loved that car more than anything, but once i bought the tesla i owned both for a few weeks, then decided to sell the aston because the tesla was so superior (for me).

new, shiny

While I’ve enjoyed my own time with an Aston (likewise my Alfa 4C), they fail on many of the same quality and reliability axes that Tesla do. So I’m not sure your experience is that different from OP.

Unless you’re the type of person who test-drives cars you can’t afford, just for the experience of it; and then ends up buying something cheaper that is, by comparison, full of compromises.

They call that joy riding.

My brother worked at a car dealership a few years ago. He'd sometimes have people driving some 20+ year old economy car asking to test drive a Nissan GT-R. When he told them they would have to run a credit check before even doing the test drive, the customers changed their mind.

Did he perhaps lose a couple possibly genuine sales? Maybe, but likely not.

Heck, I wanted to create an appointment to test drive a Subaru BRZ and I had to put down a $500 deposit to "reserve the car so they don't sell it before then", which would have been 100% refundable if I chose not to buy the car. I did end up buying the car, but they never charged a deposit at all. My brother said that they probably never even actually recorded my credit card number anywhere, and the supposed requirement for a deposit exists purely to eliminate joy riders.

What? My 2004 Toyota Tundra remained the best vehicle for me, until my Tesla.

I also miss my 1974 Datsun 240z. What a cool car that was.

Not even close. "Best" has lots of dimensions, though: It depends on what you mean, and that changes which car is "best" quite a bit:

Fastest: The one I own now, a Chrysler Crossfire SRT-6 (the one with the 350HP supercharged AMG motor.) Yeah, a Chrysler sports car is weird. Other than raw power/speed (and styling, which I love, but is admittedly polarizing), it's not the best car I've owned, but it's very good in most ways, fun to drive, and suits me. I like it enough that this is my second one, after the first got totalled a few years ago. Impossible to nap in at a rest area on a road trip, though.

Coolest: I owned a Ferrari Dino 308gt4 for 25 years, and it was my daily driver for nearly 10 years. Italian cars are an illness, but a fun one. Unless you're rich (I'm not) you need to be able to wrench most maintenance and repairs yourself, and need a good non-dealer mechanic to pick up what you can't. Not really that fast, but everyone thinks it is. Traded a year-old RX-7 and $1500 for it in 1988. If you're willing to put up with poor build quality, go buy an old Italian car - it'll be way cooler than a Tesla.

Most fun: Fiat X1/9. Tiny little targa that really is a baby Ferrari - owning this car first saved me tons by recognizing many Ferrari parts were identical to Fiat parts with the decimal point moved over. (e.g.: identical thermostat: $8 Fiat part, $80 Ferrari part!) Proof a car doesn't have to be fast to be fun, but I eventually added a stroker crank and big-valve heads with dual Webers anyway. Bought for $1500 when I was in college and taught me enough about Italian cars to make buying the Ferrari possible.

Best at speed: '91 Alfa Romeo 164S - the big 4-door sedan. The S is not just a badge - probably a third of the car is different. That's fine until you needed parts shipped from Italy b/c they didn't stock them in the US. Wonderful car, though. Definitely the best-looking motor I've owned, with all those polished aluminum intake runners like a nest of metal snakes on top. The first time I drove it on the Houston Tollway, it felt like I was going about 80, but my eyes disagreed - I looked down at the speedo and saw 120!). Really nice family road trip car.

Most reliable: Chrysler again - 1992 Le Baron 4-door with the beautiful jewel-like Mitsubishi 3.0 V-6. Picked it up as a reliable solid car for my wife when our second was born (killer deal, $2500 under book), and it was without question the most reliable car we've ever owned. It wasn't exciting, but was such a good car that we wound up keeping it for many years longer than we'd planned. We put about 130K on the car with pretty much nothing but brakes and oil changes.

Best quirky car: '87 Merkur Xr4Ti. Bought new for my wife. Fun, roomy (absolutely amazing what will fit in the hatch with the seats folded down), quick, comfortable. Would have kept this one much longer if a boneheaded mechanic hadn't zapped the electrical system. Ain't nobody got time for electrical demons!

Most disappointing: Oldsmobile Aurora. Beautiful car, wonderful motor. Really heavy though, and despite handling pretty well, it couldn't hide that weight. Seats looked nice, but were impossible to get comfortable in. Mileage was barely better than the Ferrari. Had minor electrical demons from near-new. Wanted to like it a lot more, but didn't keep it too long.

Best all-around: Strange to be typing this, but 2007 Chrysler Pacifica (crossover, not the newer minivan). Bought new for my wife at only $2000 more than a good used one, but with a much-improved engine, nicer options, and an unlimited powertrain warranty, which was a good thing, as it ate transmissions every 2-3 years. Without question the best thought-out car we've ever owned. It does everything, and does it well. Surprisingly quick with the big 4.0 V6, roomy (originally planned to get a trailer hitch to help kids move back and forth to college, but never needed it, since everything fits inside), comfortable (the best roadtrip car ever!), stable at speed (will cruise all day at 100-120 mph (not really that fast on many Texas highways), amazing brakes, and freakishly good gas mileage (36 @ 80mph with the first transmission, 30-32 with later ones). You don't expect it, but it's really nice to drive. Other than the transmission problems (actually caused by motor mount failures), the car was dead reliable. Sadly totalled by a Jeep-driving "wench with a winch" rear-ending us at a stoplight.

So yeah, we've had some weird cars, but quirky can be fun. Counting the kids' cars, we've also had a Honda, Nissan, Mazda, Isuzu, Ford, Hyundai, Saturn (probably worst overall), and Plymouth/Mitsubishi, but although almost all of them were good, most aren't really standouts for the "best" list. (Though the Maxima, RX-7 Turbo , and Conquest come close.)

Maybe we'll pick up an off-lease Stelvio Quadrifoglio or Trackhawk in a few years, who knows? More likely one of those than a Tesla...

> Oldsmobile Aurora. Beautiful car

I knew these types of cars must appeal to some people but i've never "met" anyone who likes\loves the design

Good point.