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Re:PS5 Teardown [video] by Red_Leaves_Flyy on Wednesday October 07, 2020 @04:03PM (#24712115)
Microsoft shot themselves in the foot by announcing pricing first if true. Not that I'm complaining. $300/500 and monthly options to boot is very consumer friendly. The hype over the proprietary memory card is overblown. I'm sure either Microsoft will release a compatible adapter that takes any m2 drive and or a Chinese factory will make them and sell them on Amazon.
Re:PS5 Teardown [video] by vbernat on Wednesday October 07, 2020 @06:10PM (#24713377)
Sony had user-replaceable hard disk since PS3. Microsoft never proposed this. I don't think it will change with this generation.
Re:PS5 Teardown [video] by anon73044 on Wednesday October 07, 2020 @08:36PM (#24714453)
Even the PS2's optional hard drive bay!
Re:PS5 Teardown [video] by stas2k on Thursday October 08, 2020 @03:45AM (#24716859)
PS2 was soft-locked to Sony supplied drives.

Nowadays that bay is very useful for booting games off any HDD. SATA is also supported by using a IDE->SATA board.

Re:PS5 Teardown [video] by byte1918 on Thursday October 08, 2020 @05:28AM (#24717415)
PS5 drives must also be pre-approved by Sony, supposedly due to strict hardware requirements, like 5.5GB/s[1] sustained bandwidth. I personally think it's silly, sure, bigger numbers mean better performance but I would be surprised if most games wouldn't work perfectly fine with a nowadays average SSD.

[1] https://www.pushsquare.com/guides/which-ssd-drives-will-be-c...

Re:PS5 Teardown [video] by xbmcuser on Thursday October 08, 2020 @09:10AM (#24718763)
Ah no ps5 and xbox both have been designed for fast loading of game textures. Even the new nvidia and amd cards support the same so current games might be okay with slower drives but texture loading has been a bottleneck for 4k gaming which this solves.
Re:PS5 Teardown [video] by kingbirdy on Wednesday October 07, 2020 @09:45PM (#24714810)
FWIW you could put in a new HDD in an original Xbox, and put a 2.5" HDD in the 360 hard drive enclosure, but neither were officially supported.
Re:PS5 Teardown [video] by mTrebuchet on Wednesday October 07, 2020 @10:01PM (#24714882)
With the original Xbox, they used hard drive locking that made it difficult to swap out to a new one. Its been a very long time since I've done it, but I seem to remember having a hard drive powered by a normal ATX PC, then swapping the data cable over from the PC to the Xbox while it was still on to achieve a HDD upgrade (with other steps in the middle that i've all but forgot).
Re:PS5 Teardown [video] by kingbirdy on Wednesday October 07, 2020 @10:53PM (#24715180)
It was a hassle for the 360 as well, you had to plug the drive into a PC first and run a homebrew tool to "bless" the drive so that it would work with the console
Re:PS5 Teardown [video] by nsriv on Wednesday October 07, 2020 @04:59PM (#24712664)
The proprietary memory card is going to be necessary for storing/accessing new titles designed to make use of their Velocity Architecture, any old external will do for games Xbox One or back-compatible games.
Re:PS5 Teardown [video] by kumarharsh on Friday October 09, 2020 @12:08AM (#24726722)
That's not entirely correct. You can use any regular old SSD: https://www.gamespot.com/articles/xbox-games-on-an-external-...
Re:PS5 Teardown [video] by stirlo on Wednesday October 07, 2020 @09:14PM (#24714666)
Not sure why they didn't enable storage tiering for regular external HDDs.

It would be far faster to move a game from external HDD back to the Velocity SSD before playing than to download the entire game again from the internet.

Feels like a money grab tbh.

Re:PS5 Teardown [video] by chrisfosterelli on Wednesday October 07, 2020 @09:42PM (#24714793)
> Not sure why they didn't enable storage tiering for regular external HDDs.

They did: "A USB 3.1 drive can also carry Xbox Series games as storage, which can be transferred to Series X or S's internal SSD or Storage Expansion Card to then be played."

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/xbox-series-ssd-expansion...

Re:PS5 Teardown [video] by cheschire on Thursday October 08, 2020 @03:56AM (#24716929)
During the last gen consoles, Sony folks have said on camera how they were quietly cheering when MS announced a price point way above what the PS4 was targeted at.

Maybe Sony expected MS to aim higher again, and this time it was MS who undercut.

Re:PS5 Teardown [video] by freeone3000 on Wednesday October 07, 2020 @06:06PM (#24713333)
It's also got a 1TB internal drive, with the memory card being *optional.