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Re:I built a lay-down desk by hinkley on Monday October 05, 2020 @05:39PM (#24692339)
I stopped hanging out in /r/DIY before /r/DIWHY became a thing, because it was turning into a roast of people risking life, limb, and property by doing something structurally unsound. There's educating people on building standards, and then there's just bagging on people.

In an attempt to be more of the former than the latter, if the string or especially that strut sheer off of their mounts, that whole contraption is slamming down. Your groin is pretty well protected, but you can still catch that upper bit in the teeth. Figure out how far stuff should move and add stops to keep it from going a hair farther. Replace most of the nails with bolts (beware of end grain, which can split, in which case nail/bolt makes little difference).

Aside: My personal favorite trick that doesn't get used enough is eddy currents. If something has to move easily but not too quickly, a piece of aluminum, copper (or I think non-ferrous steel?) and a rare earth magnet will decrease the terminal velocity of the moving bit. You still take a hit, but you might walk away from it.

Re:I built a lay-down desk by grenoire on Monday October 05, 2020 @06:32PM (#24692786)
Lord, thank you for this comment. The structure looks like a death trap and the physics of its construction make very little sense. Be careful everybody!
Re:I built a lay-down desk by de_watcher on Tuesday October 06, 2020 @07:15AM (#24696553)
The comfychair and Spanish inquisition.
Re:I built a lay-down desk by TLightful on Tuesday October 06, 2020 @07:20AM (#24696578)
Hahahaaaa!
Re:I built a lay-down desk by pessimizer on Monday October 05, 2020 @07:48PM (#24693356)
More like a mild-mishap trap.
Re:I built a lay-down desk by tweetle_beetle on Tuesday October 06, 2020 @08:10AM (#24696840)
This comment falls into the "...and then there's just bagging on people.", which the parent wanted to avoid.
Re:I built a lay-down desk by polote on Tuesday October 06, 2020 @04:52AM (#24695872)
Author here, I understand your reaction, and I think I didn't put enough context on the safety part. I recommend to anyone to do basic carpentry stuff, but here we have a more complex system I do not recommend someone without experience trying to. replicate it. I have been building that kind of stuff for about 15 years. No nails only bolts have been used as you advise, the structure is very solid compared to the weight it has to handle.
Re:I built a lay-down desk by hinkley on Tuesday October 06, 2020 @12:54PM (#24699904)
I looked again to see if I was imagining things. The first picture I see is all screws and nails? The bits above as well as behind the chair are the parts that concern me. Lots of pieces that can shear off and drop that arm in your lap. One of those cleats has a screw going in at a very acute angle. for instance.

I'm going to quibble with the other response about the arm above being over-engineering. You're copying existing designs instead of trying to work out your own geometries. You could probably move the moving parts behind the monitor, but I don't know how hard a time you'd have keeping the footprint from increasing.

Re:I built a lay-down desk by wegs on Tuesday October 06, 2020 @10:00AM (#24697700)
Author: The term is 'overengineering.' You used thick wood and heavy bolts to compensate for the stresses placed on a structure which gives exceptional amounts of leverage on the joints. Overengineering isn't good engineering.

This thing is a nice first prototype, but it looks like a death trap. There is absolutely no reason for the giant lever arm coming up from behind you and all the way around.

Look at the altwork design. It's a lot lighter and more robust. It doesn't place a ton of weight overhead, and there's a lot less leverage on the joints. Or look at ErgoQuest. The monitors are stationary, and only a lightweight desk/keyboard tray moves.

I appreciate your confidence, but I'm afraid it's misplaced. I've been doing woodworking and engineering for a lot more than 15 years. A couple of things to consider:

"When you want to build this kind of structure, I'm not sure you can plan everything beforehand, there are always things that will happen that you didn't expect." You absolutely can. It just takes practice and experience. When I build something, I plan out what I do, and 9/10 it comes together on the first go. For my mentors, it's 10/10. The first few years I was doing this, it was 0/10.

"After a few failing choices, I ended up with a main pole of 7cm x 7cm." You generally want about a 10x safety margin for dynamic loading and similar issues. If you had a few failing designs, you're way too close to failing in your current design.

Back to the overengineering point: Simply using massive beams of wood and bolts doesn't necessarily make things robust. A 7cm x 7cm piece of wood weighs a ton, and puts that much more strain on everything. That's true for all the pieces. I could build a more robust design with normal-sized boards. That has the distinct advantage that if there is a failure, what falls on me my hurt me, but won't kill or cripple me.

I'm glad you're trying, but by overestimating your expertise, you're putting yourself at risk. I'd encourage you to keep trying, but to also take this sort of constructive criticism seriously.

Think through how the desk ought to move so you don't need the giant lever arm, whether you want the monitors to move at all, and where to mount these so you can get in and out easily. I can think of a half-dozen designs where there are no massive lever arms, where nothing moves or just the keyboard tray moves, where if things break, I don't die, and generally simpler, lighter, and more robust.

Re:I built a lay-down desk by throwaway0a5e on Tuesday October 06, 2020 @08:07AM (#24696819)
/r/DIY, and basically every other part of the easily accessible public internet where people used to build things died because the people who build things left those parts of the internet.

The people who actually build cool stuff left because they didn't like a bunch of people with little to no experience in the things they are doing telling them about how they should have done them and that should have worn more safety glasses, used more jack stands and that a Dremel is going to eat their hand if they use it while wearing work gloves. Nobody who's actually contributing content of any value is going to stick around somewhere they have to take shit from a bunch of internet riff-raff that isn't contributing anything.

There's calling out stuff that's actually unlikely to last and there's pandering to the safety crowd for virtue points and the publicly accessible internet is rife with the former while actual constructive criticism is proportionally rare. For every comment to the tune of "you should consider fastener X because your application is Y and that plays to X's strength Z" there are ten teenagers (or adults acting like teenagers) making some low effort jab about something in the building code, or some written list of best practices, they don't understand the reasons behind.

It takes time and effort to build something. It doesn't take any time and effort to make some quip about PPE so that a bunch of teenagers can click on an up arrow and you can get your fix. The people actually building things got sick of being used like that.

Re:I built a lay-down desk by hinkley on Tuesday October 06, 2020 @12:43PM (#24699748)
The last time I participated, a guy had build a loft in his garage that was going to fall on his head or his car within a year. Sooner if he actually put all the stuff on his shelves up there.

try /r/woodworking for a more mature conversation.

The people who know they fucked up post self-deprecating pictures for a group chuckle. Showing your first dovetail (even if it looks like a 10 year old made it) is practically a rite of passage. The rest of the projects are usually small enough they can't kill people, or anchored to the floor so you might lose a toe at worst.

Re:I built a lay-down desk by TheRealDunkirk on Tuesday October 06, 2020 @10:13AM (#24697816)
> Nobody who's actually contributing content of any value is going to stick around somewhere they have to take shit from a bunch of internet riff-raff that isn't contributing anything.

Ah, yes. The exact realization I had, 26 years ago, which made me finally give up on asking questions in EFNet #Linux.

Re:I built a lay-down desk by sevencolors on Monday October 05, 2020 @11:04PM (#24694386)
Yeah this thing is one accident away from a Darwin award. :(
Re:I built a lay-down desk by matheusmoreira on Monday October 05, 2020 @08:39PM (#24693701)
I searched for products to compare to and found these:

http://www.ergoquest.com/overbed-workstations.html

These contraptions cost more than my car... But they do seem to be safer. Nothing hanging above the user's head.

Re:I built a lay-down desk by shard on Monday October 05, 2020 @10:45PM (#24694299)
I got a bed laptop stand from AliExpress, used it when I had back problems and had trouble being in any position except lying down. $15 and worked fine with my laptop. The same item on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/Laptop-Adjustable-Ergonomic-Aluminum-...
Re:I built a lay-down desk by hinkley on Tuesday October 06, 2020 @01:00PM (#24699970)
Saving $3500 is a powerful motivator for a lot of people.

I was trying to find a used/rent/borrow arrangement for a device called a log arch a few years ago, to help with a landscaping project. This is how I discovered just how many people have learned to basic to intermediate welding to avoid the labor costs of having someone else do low-volume work for them. Especially out in the boonies.

Re:I built a lay-down desk by walrus01 on Monday October 05, 2020 @08:19PM (#24693600)
Also I feel sorry for the noise and disturbance experienced by all of this person's neighbors, it looks like it was built in an apartment.
Re:I built a lay-down desk by scottlamb on Monday October 05, 2020 @10:10PM (#24694132)
I hate this attitude that apartment dwellers shouldn't be able to live their lives. I regret that I went along and never played my flute while I lived in an apartment for many years. I think we should either be expecting some neighbor noise (during reasonable hours) or demanding that landlords soundproof thoroughly.
Re:I built a lay-down desk by octoberfranklin on Monday October 05, 2020 @10:45PM (#24694297)
People like you are why I don't live in cities anymore.

Seriously, everytime there is some kind of pro-urbanist post here on HN, I think to myself "sure, but noise". And people who don't value peace and quiet.

Re:I built a lay-down desk by scottlamb on Monday October 05, 2020 @11:25PM (#24694456)
I appreciate peace and quiet too, which is why I mentioned soundproofing. IIUC the standards for condos in my area are considerably stricter in this regard than those for apartments. I'd support raising the apartment standards to match.
Re:I built a lay-down desk by fyfy18 on Tuesday October 06, 2020 @12:48AM (#24694781)
As the sister comment said, noise isolation is what you want. I live in an apartment with masonry walls and floors, and I basically cannot hear anything from my neighbours. The most I hear is tap tap tap when someone above is walking with heels on.

Now if you have any ideas for noise outside I'm open :-) A hipster bar opened opposite last year (when we moved in there was a commercial unit that had been empty for a few years, turns out it was a restaurant with alcohol license before), and we regularly have drunk people speaking loudly/shouting outside in the evenings from Thursday - Saturday. We can obviously close the window (triple glazed), but it's nice to have a breeze coming in.

Re:I built a lay-down desk by octoberfranklin on Tuesday October 06, 2020 @06:53AM (#24696418)
> I live in an apartment with masonry

I live in an earthquake zone. Masonry construction is illegal on almost the entire US West Coast.

Re:I built a lay-down desk by AngryData on Tuesday October 06, 2020 @03:28AM (#24695457)
That seems like a problem of poorly constructed/soundproofed apartments than anything.
Re:I built a lay-down desk by vagrantJin on Tuesday October 06, 2020 @05:46AM (#24696131)
I'm not sure cities are the place to find peace and quiet.
Re:I built a lay-down desk by octoberfranklin on Tuesday October 06, 2020 @06:54AM (#24696425)
I came to the same conclusion, but urbanists get very angry when I tell them this.
Re:I built a lay-down desk by octoberfranklin on Tuesday October 06, 2020 @08:13PM (#24703967)
... and then they rage-downvote me, apparently.
Re:I built a lay-down desk by walrus01 on Monday October 05, 2020 @10:13PM (#24694152)
doing amateur carpentry work in your apartment, cutting up 2x4s and stuff to build furniture is unacceptable. Do it off site or in the parking garage or something. The amount of sawdust on the floor alone tells me this was a very noisy process.
Re:I built a lay-down desk by unbalancedevh on Monday October 05, 2020 @11:05PM (#24694391)
Drilling into wood doesn't make much noise. Cutting wood with a hand saw doesn't make much noise. Using a hammer can be noisy, but a project like this wouldn't use many (or any) nails.
Re:I built a lay-down desk by Aeolun on Monday October 05, 2020 @10:27PM (#24694222)
> doing amateur carpentry work in your apartment, cutting up 2x4s and stuff to build furniture is unacceptable

You do you, but this is my apartment. It is there especially to allow me to do the things that I want to do.

If this person is not doing carpentry work at 12 o’clock at night, they’re not disturbing anyone with their activities.

Re:I built a lay-down desk by tstewart161 on Monday October 05, 2020 @11:30PM (#24694471)
No, negative externalities aren’t ok when you do it, or when cities do it, or when businesses do it, or when anyone does it. You don’t get to harm other’s welfare. Take your construction project to a public park or outdoors somewhere
Re:I built a lay-down desk by verylittlemeat on Tuesday October 06, 2020 @05:32AM (#24696063)
I don't think this whole conversation needs to be so dramatic.

I live in NYC and do projects like this chair all the time. I talk to my neighbors and ask them when they wont be home or when would be a good time to do X hours of work.

Most of the time they say don't worry about it as long as it's not past like 9pm or before 10am. I extend the same courtesy to my neighbors in turn. Just communicate and be reasonable.

Re:I built a lay-down desk by tallanvor on Tuesday October 06, 2020 @04:20AM (#24695697)
So... Once an apartment or condo is built, that's it? No renovations, putting up shelves, etc?

Your position is completely unrealistic. Everyone causes a disturbance at times, but we generally try to minimize it and limit it to reasonable hours.

Re:I built a lay-down desk by whostolemyhat on Tuesday October 06, 2020 @04:36AM (#24695787)
I hope you don't watch telly in your apartment; you should take that to a public park.
Re:I built a lay-down desk by Aeolun on Wednesday October 07, 2020 @06:36AM (#24706902)
> or when anyone does it

See, this is where our opinion differs. I am perfectly ok with anyone doing it. I think this probably heavily depends on the culture you grew up in.

Or maybe some people are just intollerant, I really don’t know.

Re:I built a lay-down desk by walrus01 on Monday October 05, 2020 @10:41PM (#24694278)
say that again after you've been awake until 2am working on a project, want to sleep in, and your neighbor brings a chop saw and drill into their apartment and starts slicing up 2x4 lumber in their living room the next morning.
Re:I built a lay-down desk by Aeolun on Wednesday October 07, 2020 @06:39AM (#24706916)
I mean, that sucks, but I’d find it hard to blame my neighbor instead of myself.
Re:I built a lay-down desk by whostolemyhat on Tuesday October 06, 2020 @04:40AM (#24695803)
Noise during the day isn't unreasonable
Re:I built a lay-down desk by dx87 on Monday October 05, 2020 @11:30PM (#24694472)
Except it's not your apartment, it's the landlord's apartment, and they probably have rules against being so loud that people in adjacent units want to move out.
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Re:I built a lay-down desk by walrus01 on Monday October 05, 2020 @10:56PM (#24694351)
Perhaps some Pig Destroyer
Re:I built a lay-down desk by scottlamb on Monday October 05, 2020 @10:17PM (#24694177)
Those options aren't available to everyone, particularly during the pandemic. None of the apartments I lived in had outlets near parking or any kind of shared space appropriate for carpentry.
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Re:I built a lay-down desk by dang on Tuesday October 06, 2020 @12:28AM (#24694689)
Personal attacks will get you banned here, regardless of how wrong someone else is or you feel they are. No more of this, please—we're trying for something significantly different here.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:I built a lay-down desk by fyfy18 on Tuesday October 06, 2020 @12:35AM (#24694727)
If you aren't using powertools [I only saw a picture of two hand saws], woodworking makes very little noise. The loudest part of OPs project was probably vacuuming once they finished.
Re:I built a lay-down desk by lucb1e on Tuesday October 06, 2020 @03:04PM (#24701186)
A quiet vacuum cleaner is one of the best surprises I had when moving out and buying many things new, thus making appliance decisions myself for the first time.

It doesn't have to be loud!

I literally vacuumed under my sleeping girlfriend (and it's not like she sleeps that deeply on the sofa, it just wasn't louder than the running TV). The loudest part is, unless you turn it to max power, the scraping of the thing over the floor. Compare that to the upstairs neighbours, who we barely hear except when they vacuum.

My mom's first reaction, when I excitedly told her, was "yeah but those don't have any power". Not sure, I've used a bunch of vacuum cleaners over the years (old or second-hand in student rooms, newer stuff at my parents' house) and this one doesn't do any better or worse than others. The EU also reduced the max power of new vacuum cleaners, apparently they're overspec'd for the job and people just buy what they think will get them done faster I guess? Haven't read up on it, I just remember reading that the max power allowance went down as of some recent year. Perhaps the loudness is subconsciously a proxy for performance since an ordinary person can hardly measure suction directly?

In the EU, appliances have a score card. In the case of vacuum cleaners it contains things like how well it vacuums, how much dust comes back out while vacuuming, how loud it is, how much power it uses, and another stat or two that I don't remember. They're all roughly the same (I just walked through the store from vacuum to vacuum for each stat to see what the best is you can get per price category) in pretty much every stat except noise level and power usage. In those two categories you can win a bunch for virtually no extra money and I'm super happy with it.

Re:I built a lay-down desk by ponker on Tuesday October 06, 2020 @12:10AM (#24694611)
If you want quiet go live in the woods. Cities are for doing stuff. Doing stuff makes noise.
Re:I built a lay-down desk by numlock86 on Tuesday October 06, 2020 @03:37AM (#24695513)
> Cities are for doing stuff.

Cities are just large human settlements with high density and a (mostly synthetic/mental) boundary defining it's area.

One of the many parts mostly any city has are residential areas. Noise is absolutely not desired there, even if you think it is. What you seem to be talking about are public, business and industrial areas for example. Demographic development has people living there, sure. But mostly because it's cheap because of the noise and other environmental issues.

Re:I built a lay-down desk by ponker on Tuesday October 06, 2020 @04:01AM (#24695612)
Cities have always been cacophonous. Moving to a city and then asking your neighbors to be quiet is like moving next to a farm and then asking them to stop making smells. There is much more quiet real estate in America than noisy real estate — don’t go to New York City and then ask your neighbors to tread lightly after 8pm on weekends because your baby is sleeping.

Thankfully despite your opinion New York does a good job of putting these noise complainers in their place. Unless the noise is beyond the pale or at hours between 10pm and 7am, complainers are told to GTFO most of the time. Somehow the city still remains a highly sought after place to live, half of it because all the whiners who need silence for realigning their chakras have decamped to Hastings-on-Hudson.