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Re:Employee works for both Google and Facebook from home by ivanche on Thursday October 01, 2020 @10:17AM (#24651057)
Seems legit. /s

"Friend of a friend" - nothing suspicious there, it must be true. "Might have reversed the co's" - yup, might or might not, 100% true story. edit: And a bit further down the thread: "I don't know him."

In some remote case this is true, 2 full-time contracts can be downright illegal to have. And tax office might be very interested at the end of the year.

Re:Employee works for both Google and Facebook from home by bluedevil2k on Thursday October 01, 2020 @10:54AM (#24651520)
> And tax office might be very interested

Why would they care at all? If he's full-time on both, then he's having the taxes deducted from his wages. In fact, he'll get a refund at the end of the year because he's overpaying FICA (6% up to $110k on both jobs, when his maximum contribution should just be 6% up to $110k (not exact numbers)).

If he's a contractor, then he has to pay estimated taxes on both jobs, just like someone would with 1 job.

In either case, as long as he does proper accounting like anyone with 1 job would need to, he'll be fine in the IRS's eyes.

Re:Employee works for both Google and Facebook from home by aaomidi on Thursday October 01, 2020 @11:19AM (#24651884)
They wouldn't. They'd get their cut and not do anything more.

IRS basically never starts investigations from what was in tax returns as long as they get their money so they don't scare off people from filing tax returns and paying taxes.

Re:Employee works for both Google and Facebook from home by thatguy0900 on Thursday October 01, 2020 @10:40AM (#24651340)
I'm not understanding why this should be considered bad? Presumably both companies are satisfied with his work output, and if not, are free to fire him.
Re:Employee works for both Google and Facebook from home by andrewcl on Thursday October 01, 2020 @10:57AM (#24651587)
Disagreements on which company owns the IP generated by the employee might end up costing both companies more than the value the employee generates. Legal costs quite a bit.

Another consideration, if this person is able to complete their work in half the time then this person was brought on at a responsibility level that was too low. Theoretically, the job should be taking 40 hours. It's the company's responsibility to load balance the tasks for their employee's to fill an FTE's schedule.

Re:Employee works for both Google and Facebook from home by aaomidi on Thursday October 01, 2020 @11:18AM (#24651869)
This happens all the time though. Also no one is writing code 40 hours a week.

Who on earth has the ability to do that?

Re:Employee works for both Google and Facebook from home by andrewcl on Thursday October 01, 2020 @12:59PM (#24653332)
A point to keep in mind, tasks does not necessarily equate to writing code. Think for example, writing a design doc, responding to email, or reviewing any kind of metrics. If this person was hired as a manager or a technical lead then the person might be doing non-code work.
Re:Employee works for both Google and Facebook from home by wilg on Thursday October 01, 2020 @03:49PM (#24655448)
Why does it matter if you can get your job done faster? Are you being paid for your time or your work? Seems reasonable to take an easier job than you are qualified for if you want to have free time. Who is losing?
Re:Employee works for both Google and Facebook from home by andrewcl on Thursday October 01, 2020 @04:00PM (#24655560)
A tech employee is being paid for their work. The company assesses the employee's ability and dictates the level, which determines how much work they believe the employee can handle in a typical 40 work week. The balance a company hedges against is the company paying overtime for overestimation of the employee's ability, or under utilizing the resource i.e. the employee.

Generally, if you want to work less it's an option to take an easier job. However, in this instance it seems a severe underutilization to pay a tech salary (40hrs) for potentially (55/2)hrs of work. The company isn't getting it's due, and likely the employee isn't either.

Re:Employee works for both Google and Facebook from home by wilg on Saturday October 03, 2020 @05:02PM (#24674643)
It doesn't matter if its underutilization if they are being paid market rate for the amount of work they are doing. It's a fair trade.
Re:Employee works for both Google and Facebook from home by ryandrake on Thursday October 01, 2020 @01:18PM (#24653575)
I wonder if it would be considered "bad" if one of the jobs didn't produce IP (code) and the other one did. Or if both didn't produce IP. Or if the companies were not direct competitors.

If I had some "marketing manager" title at Facebook, why couldn't I also do the same work at Chase Bank or some other non-competitor, if both were willing to hire me on a WFH basis? What ethical line does that really cross?

Re:Employee works for both Google and Facebook from home by andrewcl on Thursday October 01, 2020 @04:06PM (#24655613)
It's an interesting consideration. This would be a great time for any lawyer to chime in.

Personally I'd think it a matter of taste or etiquette. If I were a full time employee (FTE) at one company, working for another company would personally be a bit of a betrayal of my first employer.

Re:Employee works for both Google and Facebook from home by srtjstjsj on Thursday October 01, 2020 @05:31PM (#24656344)
Taking pay with the understanding that it's hard to be fully productive during covid, while going to work at a competitor, is sus. Firing may be coming soon, perhaps with lawsuit.
Re:Employee works for both Google and Facebook from home by jdminhbg on Thursday October 01, 2020 @10:28AM (#24651195)
> And tax office might be very interested at the end of the year.

As long as you didn’t do anything stupid about withholding (and even then, it’s just a $ penalty you pay April 15 if you way underpaid multiple years), I don’t see why they would care. They don’t care if you have multiple part time jobs either as long as you pay your income tax.

Re:Employee works for both Google and Facebook from home by Moto7451 on Thursday October 01, 2020 @10:56AM (#24651562)
Correct. There are a lot of college students and adults with irregular employment that would have been rounded up and sent to jail otherwise. I worked simultaneously for three different employers in my late teens/early twenties including a part time job working for my city government. No one, especially the IRS, blinked an eye because this is 100% normal.

Now if you’re in an at will employment job then the employer can just fire you if they don’t like what you’re doing, but the same is true if they woke up cranky on a Tuesday. If you read your offer letter they make it sound like some sort of law from on high that lets them do this but it’s just a basic principle of employment in an At-Will arrangement.

Re:Employee works for both Google and Facebook from home by mtnGoat on Thursday October 01, 2020 @10:28AM (#24651194)
I don't know of any laws in the US preventing this. Unless one contact barred you from the other, in which case it would be civil.
Re:Employee works for both Google and Facebook from home by animationwill on Thursday October 01, 2020 @10:34AM (#24651256)
Im not a tax lawyer or accountant but I don't see the IRS getting involved here either, nor it raising red flags, unless this went on for greater than a year. A W2 doesnt indicate the dates you worked for an employer, though the stock vesting would indicate overlap. Not sure about California tax forms though.
Re:Employee works for both Google and Facebook from home by rajup on Thursday October 01, 2020 @10:40AM (#24651344)
Maybe not illegal from a tax point of view but illegal as hell for someone on a H1B visa (which quite a significant number of employees in these companies have).
Re:Employee works for both Google and Facebook from home by srtjstjsj on Thursday October 01, 2020 @05:33PM (#24656356)
Could an H1B holder sneak past second company's HR/Legal and the filings?
Re:Employee works for both Google and Facebook from home by toast0 on Thursday October 01, 2020 @10:57AM (#24651575)
I mean, this certainly violates the employment contract of both Facebook and Google. I've seen only one of those, but I can't imagine the other doesn't have a non-compete against working for a competitor while employed (which is at least potentially enforcable in California).

You might be able to negotiate that away, if you really tried.

But breaching a contract isn't illegal. There's no tax issues, the IRS and the FTB don't care how many employers you have. Without due care, withholding will be off more than normal, but both employers will withhold for employee social security, and assuming combined wages are over the contribution limit, there will be a refund of overcontributions. Having two employers in one year makes it possible to overcontribute to 401k, but that's managable.

Re:Employee works for both Google and Facebook from home by lallysingh on Thursday October 01, 2020 @10:46AM (#24651433)
The guy could be a contractor for both, and some details may have been lost in the telephone game.

Also, the only thing that's a problem is the employment contract. They both surely have clauses about working for someone else in the industry, and/or listing any side businesses.

Re:Employee works for both Google and Facebook from home by C1sc0cat on Thursday October 01, 2020 @11:04AM (#24651704)
The contract would normally disallow working for competitors

I know when the agency I worked for worked with Disney we signed an exclusivity agreement that we could not work with paramount MGM universal etc.

Re:Employee works for both Google and Facebook from home by jojo2333 on Thursday October 01, 2020 @01:26PM (#24653687)
Not true. Contractors, by law, have the ability to work when/how they want including for multiple clients.

If there is something specific in the contract, it is a civil issue.

Re:Employee works for both Google and Facebook from home by justinclift on Thursday October 01, 2020 @10:49AM (#24651461)
Wonder which one will have "exclusive ownership" of any created IP?

If the roles are very different, it could be clear cut. If the roles have substantial overlap though...

Re:Employee works for both Google and Facebook from home by S_A_P on Thursday October 01, 2020 @10:48AM (#24651453)
I contracted for 4 companies at the same time. Not seeing a problem here. If the employee is 1) not using the IP of either company at each job 2) accomplishing his objectives at each company

Where is the harm here? If you are a FTE what is the implication that you can’t work elsewhere as well? Is it in the employment agreement? If so I would say that seems illegal.

Re:Employee works for both Google and Facebook from home by INTPenis on Thursday October 01, 2020 @10:26AM (#24651176)
Yeah, best to remain skeptical. This seems like perfect material for a modern urban legend.

It's definitely plausible but not sustainable. If found out they might lose both jobs and alienate themselves from two major players in the IT business.

Re:Employee works for both Google and Facebook from home by spuz on Thursday October 01, 2020 @10:27AM (#24651184)
Another person in that thread said they did the same thing for 6 months during the quarantine. At least two other folks on that thread have said they know someone who did the same thing.
Re:Employee works for both Google and Facebook from home by dilyevsky on Thursday October 01, 2020 @10:51AM (#24651490)
irs will just process two w2 - why would they care?