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Re:Students Left Behind by Remote Learning by watwut on Thursday October 01, 2020 @02:34AM (#24647994)
Every time school is mentioned on HN it is all how hell holes schools are. And how pandemic shown school is just about childcare (and childcare is bad thing).

Meanwhile, back here in real world, my kids were super happy to return back to school. Their friends were super happy to return back to school. They look forward friends and they also prefer learning in school over learning at home.

Meanwhile, I as parent found out that school teaches kids better then I did, that the lessons were about more then I realized when looking at them.

And it is not like our local school was super top heavily praised one. It is one of those ordinary average ones in system that objectively struggles.

Re:Students Left Behind by Remote Learning by howlgarnish on Thursday October 01, 2020 @04:35AM (#24648754)
HN demographics lean pretty heavily towards the lower end of the school pecking order. See also pg's essay on the topic: http://www.paulgraham.com/nerds.html
Re:Students Left Behind by Remote Learning by watwut on Thursday October 01, 2020 @07:59AM (#24649897)
Yeah, but I work as programmer in company where almost all employees are programmers. Quite a few are also the "I am technically technical type who is passionate" kind of people. Based on discussions I have, they dont have such trauma from school. Except one they dont recall about being bullied and that one studied humanities and worked in mostly non-technical position originally. He also never claimed his issues stemmed from being too smart (I wont repeat his analysis of why here, but he thinks reasons were different).

To large extend, even that essay does not strike me as something describing people I know or my experience. But it strikes me as very populist writing targeted at those who identify as outsiders. Something written by person who was obsessed by popularity and social position himself quite a lot. In our school, kids with good grades were not unpopular or hated. Good results in programming or math or literary competition did not made you outsider. I never perceived such abilities as social liability.

There was something like "unpopular" kid in our class, someone who don't have many friends. Not that everyone was friend with everyone. And I think that guys did to one what would be called verbal bullying now in one period. But in neither case it was really not because he was smarter then everyone. And none of these ended up in tech work and none was interested in tech.

Re:Students Left Behind by Remote Learning by asdasdasdas5453 on Thursday October 01, 2020 @06:15AM (#24649284)
I wonder if it is something US specific or not.

The very concept of 'popularity' is completely foreign to my experience. I don't think there was a thing such as a popular kid when I was at school or high school.

I personally enjoyed a lot going to school because I could spend time with my friends. I have never witnessed any violence apart from fights form time to time between two malse wanting to show who the strongest was. I was not in a privileged school.

Re:Students Left Behind by Remote Learning by auganov on Thursday October 01, 2020 @07:49AM (#24649837)
Went to mostly private schools in America and my home country and none of them were anything like this. I've seen some violence back home but not physical. Alcohol, drugs, general bad behavior etc were a much bigger problem and definitely the worst at one public school I briefly went to.

In every school I'd say like people hung out with like people. So the "popularity" would be limited to that in-group. Most of people who PG would call "nerds" had a clique of their own as far as I could tell.

Some people might have been broadly disliked though.

Re:Students Left Behind by Remote Learning by chaosite on Thursday October 01, 2020 @06:24AM (#24649338)
it's not just a US specific thing, it's a generation specific thing.

The scenarios described in the GP link is a very late 70s-80s (Gen X) thing. 90s and early 00s high-schoolers had somewhat different experiences, but they know the trope since that's what was in movies. Schools today have a different concept of a "pecking order" - it's not that nerds aren't at the bottom anymore, it's that the whole concept changed.

Re:Students Left Behind by Remote Learning by pnutjam on Thursday October 01, 2020 @09:12AM (#24650435)
Physical violence is down, it's moved to emotional and psychological attacks, which can be just as bad or worse.

This is just judging from my own experience, and my kids have a very different set of circumstances then I did.

Re:Students Left Behind by Remote Learning by luckylion on Thursday October 01, 2020 @06:53AM (#24649486)
I'm from Germany, and while some aspects of it might be US-specific, the concept generally isn't.
Re:Students Left Behind by Remote Learning by v77 on Thursday October 01, 2020 @08:52AM (#24650280)
Sorry, bullshit. This is the basic human experience in any social group. I'm not American either and this is a universal experience.
Re:Students Left Behind by Remote Learning by hnracer on Thursday October 01, 2020 @05:54AM (#24649182)
That is your kids experience but it's demeaning to call it the "real world" given so many other kids have a completely different experience. My time in school was also hell on earth and I believe it did do some psychological damage.
Re:Students Left Behind by Remote Learning by JackFr on Thursday October 01, 2020 @09:02AM (#24650340)
People who have a mostly pleasant experience in school are unlikely to comment about it. I don't doubt some people had a god-awful experience, but you're hearing from the left tail of the distribution and not the hump.
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Re:Students Left Behind by Remote Learning by dang on Friday October 02, 2020 @03:04AM (#24659812)
Personal attacks will get you banned here. No more of this please.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:Students Left Behind by Remote Learning by seneca on Thursday October 01, 2020 @12:28PM (#24652878)
> Your kids might just be eager to get away from an abusive household.

This kind of comment is wildly uncalled for.

Re:Students Left Behind by Remote Learning by luckylion on Thursday October 01, 2020 @05:02AM (#24648912)
> Meanwhile, back here in real world, my kids were super happy to return back to school.

It's almost as if not everyone on earth has the same experience, wow, fancy that.