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Re:Netflix CEO explains why he pays technologists huge salaries by znpy on Monday September 28, 2020 @11:43AM (#24617855)
In my opinion a huge role in the raise of IT people salary is their tendency to brag about their salary, one way or another.

For better or for worse, this lead to discussions about salary, negotiating practices, and to people looking elsewhere.

I sometimes speak with people that work in other fields and many of them have zero clue about these topics, whereas in most IT-related discussion boards (whether it's HN, reddit or whatever) there's a related thread in an almost periodic cadence. We in IT are kinda obsessed with these topics (we're discussing this on a VC-owned discussion board after all).

On a different topic: is there any data for salaries in other fields for the same companies (FAANG and similar) ? It'd be interesting to see how much earns, for example, a lawyer in such companies.

Re:Netflix CEO explains why he pays technologists huge salaries by ditonal on Monday September 28, 2020 @11:53AM (#24617986)
One reason for that is way more variability in developer compensation. A company hiring a senior SWE in SF might be paying 130k or 400k. But until recently there wasn’t much transparency.

My buddy is a nurse in Bay Area with a CRNA, it’s pretty much understood you make 225k plus any overtime so there’s not much more to discuss.

Re:Netflix CEO explains why he pays technologists huge salaries by fyfy18 on Monday September 28, 2020 @01:50PM (#24619349)
$225k for a nurse? And I thought there was a lot of desperaity of tech wages between Europe and the US... The average salary of a nurse in the UK is £25,000.
Re:Netflix CEO explains why he pays technologists huge salaries by lytedev on Monday September 28, 2020 @02:01PM (#24619479)
I know a dozen nurses making far less than six figures in the US. San Francisco and the Valley should be considered almost its own economy at this point.
Re:Netflix CEO explains why he pays technologists huge salaries by devmunchies on Monday September 28, 2020 @05:21PM (#24621355)
yeah. I know of a firefighter making over 200k in SF (firefighter salaries are public).
Re:Netflix CEO explains why he pays technologists huge salaries by aaronblohowiak on Monday September 28, 2020 @02:02PM (#24619487)
That is a nurse anesthetist, very different from someone who is an RN (registered nurse) which is (in my incomplete understanding) an "average" nurse.
Re:Netflix CEO explains why he pays technologists huge salaries by fma on Monday September 28, 2020 @02:30PM (#24619816)
CRNA is an upper extreme of nursing salary, and education/experience requirements
Re:Netflix CEO explains why he pays technologists huge salaries by oh_sigh on Monday September 28, 2020 @02:43PM (#24619954)
CRNA is a very specialized/advanced nurse, and OP used one of the highest cost of living areas in their example. CRNA nurses are called "medical nurse anesthetist" in England, and make around £100K/yr.
Re:Netflix CEO explains why he pays technologists huge salaries by asdff on Monday September 28, 2020 @02:02PM (#24619491)
That's for a CRNA. A regular RN in a city like Los Angeles will be making 60k and up.
Re:Netflix CEO explains why he pays technologists huge salaries by digianarchist on Monday September 28, 2020 @08:53PM (#24623046)
Nurses can pull $120,000 a year here in Toronto

https://www.thestar.com/business/personal_finance/2020/09/21...

Re:Netflix CEO explains why he pays technologists huge salaries by tsss on Monday September 28, 2020 @02:45PM (#24619971)
225k for a nurse? Nurses in the US must be way more qualified than here to command that kind of salary.
Re:Netflix CEO explains why he pays technologists huge salaries by lgregg on Monday September 28, 2020 @03:54PM (#24620634)
CRNA is very specialized nurse that is near the top of the ladder of education and credentials. Then tack on a bay area salary and you have 225k.
Re:Netflix CEO explains why he pays technologists huge salaries by kilbuz on Monday September 28, 2020 @04:02PM (#24620697)
It's not the US, it's the Bay Area... prices for many things, including wages, are very different here than elsewhere in the country.
Re:Netflix CEO explains why he pays technologists huge salaries by s1artibartfast on Monday September 28, 2020 @12:40PM (#24618523)
I think there is a lot of truth to this. Big Law is a great example of this, where the nearly every firm operates in lockstep on the Craveth Scale[1]. If one firm increases salary, every other firm will for for same cycle.

https://www.biglawinvestor.com/biglaw-salary-scale/

Re:Netflix CEO explains why he pays technologists huge salaries by ativzzz on Monday September 28, 2020 @01:32PM (#24619146)
Isn't this basically collusion by companies? Didn't Google/Facebook get in trouble for trying something like this at some point?
Re:Netflix CEO explains why he pays technologists huge salaries by alanbernstein on Monday September 28, 2020 @04:59PM (#24621161)
I can imagine no other organization more capable of following the letter of the law - if not the spirit - than a group of lawfirms.
Re:Netflix CEO explains why he pays technologists huge salaries by EpicEng on Monday September 28, 2020 @02:17PM (#24619673)
It's not collusion if every other firm raises salaries only to remain competitive, and I doubt many people are complaining about higher salaries. The companies you mention had secret no-hire agreements in place.
Re:Netflix CEO explains why he pays technologists huge salaries by seattletech on Monday September 28, 2020 @03:12PM (#24620230)
Re:Netflix CEO explains why he pays technologists huge salaries by thu2111 on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @05:05AM (#24625464)
Why would companies collude to raise salaries? If other law firms did not raise salaries to remain competitive, that would be suspicious, especially if the firm that did mysteriously lowered them again a short time later.
Re:Netflix CEO explains why he pays technologists huge salaries by C1sc0cat on Monday September 28, 2020 @01:49PM (#24619337)
One rule for lawyers one for the little people
Re:Netflix CEO explains why he pays technologists huge salaries by s1artibartfast on Monday September 28, 2020 @02:43PM (#24619945)
SWEs making 300k+ are not the little people
Re:Netflix CEO explains why he pays technologists huge salaries by C1sc0cat on Monday September 28, 2020 @03:23PM (#24620325)
Relatively speaking of course and also I was kind'a alluding to the cross over between politicians and lawyers.
Re:Netflix CEO explains why he pays technologists huge salaries by MiroF on Monday September 28, 2020 @03:48PM (#24620556)
> Relatively speaking of course

In no world are SWEs "relatively speaking" little people compared to lawyers.

Re:Netflix CEO explains why he pays technologists huge salaries by pathseeker on Monday September 28, 2020 @12:42PM (#24618545)
I think you've got cause and effect backwards. The rocket-ship rise of IT salaries is what has everyone in the field discussing salaries. The topic wouldn't even come up if it was pretty well-bounded to $80k/year for a SWE with 5 years of experience.

However, in our field you end up with people who have sat around in their same SWE job at DuPont/Lockheed or some other boomer company for 10 years and are making $80k while new grads are hitting $150k+ TC going into Google and 7 years experienced engineers can hit $450k TC at the big tech companies.

A tech company with a good moat can easily extract millions in value out of the work of SWEs building more crap for them. That's why they are willing to compete for competent engineers. If they didn't bring in that kind of cash, the companies just wouldn't pay for it, period.

Employees talking money with each other has zero bearing on what a company is willing to offer. I worked at a hotel in high school and everyone knew the hourly pay of every position in the hotel. It didn't get us raises.

Re:Netflix CEO explains why he pays technologists huge salaries by MiroF on Monday September 28, 2020 @12:52PM (#24618667)
> That's why they are willing to compete for competent engineers.

The skyrocketing wages for engineers are because until recently, tech companies were illegally conspiring to not compete for competent engineers.

Re:Netflix CEO explains why he pays technologists huge salaries by giblaz on Monday September 28, 2020 @01:15PM (#24618949)
Yep, the compensation has been lagging compared to the money it's been generating.
Re:Netflix CEO explains why he pays technologists huge salaries by C1sc0cat on Monday September 28, 2020 @02:08PM (#24619561)
And I would argue that engineering compared to other professions has always been lower paid.
Re:Netflix CEO explains why he pays technologists huge salaries by chii on Monday September 28, 2020 @11:51AM (#24617951)
i think you'll find that the work and value being created is required to support the high salaries. Imagine a super-market checkout person or a waiter - i'm sure they talk about their wages too. Why don't they get higher wages just by talking and negotiating?
Re:Netflix CEO explains why he pays technologists huge salaries by sammorrowdrums on Monday September 28, 2020 @12:04PM (#24618104)
Well scarcity is generally the best indicator. For a long time software developers have been a scarce resource and therefore hiring good engineers is competitive.

It's true that some market forces and potential value of what is created are factors else nobody would pay for the premium, but he generally scarcity rules here.

For a contrived example, why is caviar astronomically more expensive than bread? It's not the cost of production. It's not the fact that people like it more than bread.

It's just scarce.

Re:Netflix CEO explains why he pays technologists huge salaries by Sohcahtoa82 on Monday September 28, 2020 @02:31PM (#24619836)
Does caviar even taste that good? Just seems like one of those things rich people buy to show how rich they are. I find it hard to believe that they actually taste good enough to justify the price.

Like...I had foie gras for the first time a few years ago, and while I thought it was pretty good, it definitely wasn't mindblowly good, and definitely wasn't worth the price.

(Later, I looked up what foie gras actually was and decided I'd never eat it again)

Re:Netflix CEO explains why he pays technologists huge salaries by vkou on Monday September 28, 2020 @03:16PM (#24620264)
> Does caviar even taste that good? Just seems like one of those things rich people buy to show how rich they are.

Yes, but it's an acquired taste.

Re:Netflix CEO explains why he pays technologists huge salaries by lotsofpulp on Monday September 28, 2020 @02:29PM (#24619811)
Caviar is astronomically more expensive because it is both scarce AND people willing to buy it are able and willing to pay a high amount for it. Ability and willingness of buyers to pay is just as important as low supply.

If caviar was scarce, and the only people interested in buying it had no money, then it would simply be unavailable. Or maybe whatever little supply there is would sell for as much as the buyers could afford.

Re:Netflix CEO explains why he pays technologists huge salaries by sammorrowdrums on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @02:56AM (#24624836)
Correct, that's what I meant by:

> It's true that some market forces and potential value of what is created are factors else nobody would pay for the premium

Although, amazingly demand can be manufactured to some extent (where potential demand has to exist of course). De Beers managed it with 'A Diamond Is Forever' where they managed to become the de facto engagement ring stone. Scarcity + good marketing does seem to be a magnet for the wealthy.

Re:Netflix CEO explains why he pays technologists huge salaries by 3minus1 on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @12:39PM (#24629967)
> On a different topic: is there any data for salaries in other fields for the same companies (FAANG and similar) ? It'd be interesting to see how much earns, for example, a lawyer in such companies.

The government requires that companies publicly report salary data for H1Bs. You can google for that data. Here's one site https://h1bsalary.online/

Re:Netflix CEO explains why he pays technologists huge salaries by TuringNYC on Monday September 28, 2020 @02:28PM (#24619805)
>> In my opinion a huge role in the raise of IT people salary is their tendency to brag about their salary, one way or another.

In my opinion a huge role in the raise of tech salaries is simply constrained real-estate in the bay area. Just looking at rents and homeprices, I wonder if cost-of-living adjusted salaries have actually gone up much in the bay area.

However...it does set the bar for the country overall, which is good for everyone.

Secondly, i'm not sure about brag but I think tech companies have realized that skin-in-the-game has resulted in shared success. This is also great for everyone -- companies, and workers.

Re:Netflix CEO explains why he pays technologists huge salaries by lucasverra on Monday September 28, 2020 @11:47AM (#24617906)
That or demand side is fuelling the discussing