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Re:Oracle Wins Bid for TikTok in U.S. by yjftsjthsd-h on Sunday September 13, 2020 @08:28PM (#24465268)
> (that may be a bit too cynical)

"You actually don't need to be open-minded about Oracle, you are wasting the openness of your mind [...] As you know people, as you learn about things, you realize that these generalizations we have are, virtually to a generalization, false. Well, except for this one, as it turns out. What you think of Oracle, is even truer than you think it is. There has been no entity in human history with less complexity or nuance to it than Oracle."

- Bryan Cantrill, https://youtu.be/-zRN7XLCRhc?t=2046

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Re:Oracle Wins Bid for TikTok in U.S. by closeparen on Sunday September 13, 2020 @08:29PM (#24465283)
“Do not make the mistake of anthropomorphizing Larry Ellison.”
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Re:Oracle Wins Bid for TikTok in U.S. by konjin on Sunday September 13, 2020 @08:33PM (#24465310)
What's more human than wanting to make as much money as possible for the least amount of work?
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Re:Oracle Wins Bid for TikTok in U.S. by kohtatsu on Sunday September 13, 2020 @09:17PM (#24465635)
My favourite humans see money as a means to an end.
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Re:Oracle Wins Bid for TikTok in U.S. by ece on Sunday September 13, 2020 @10:33PM (#24466184)
“Computers aren’t the thing. They’re the thing that gets us to the thing.” - Halt and Catch Fire
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Re:Oracle Wins Bid for TikTok in U.S. by HeWhoLurksLate on Monday September 14, 2020 @12:42AM (#24466823)
One of my favorite YouTubers is Rob Dahm because of that exact reason.
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Re:Oracle Wins Bid for TikTok in U.S. by oxygenjoe on Sunday September 13, 2020 @09:06PM (#24465554)
Honestly I would take that oracle job described above in a heartbeat
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Re:Oracle Wins Bid for TikTok in U.S. by holografix on Sunday September 13, 2020 @08:43PM (#24465375)
That made me lol in a bathroom cubicle.
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Re:Oracle Wins Bid for TikTok in U.S. by burtonator on Sunday September 13, 2020 @09:19PM (#24465649)
Oracle acquired two of our customers. Within 2 years they were both dead. Meanwhile every other company in the same industry was thriving.

Oracle is where things go to die.

RIP TikTok.

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Re:Oracle Wins Bid for TikTok in U.S. by chris_wot on Sunday September 13, 2020 @09:52PM (#24465932)
I was getting concerned my kids were spending too much time on TikTok. I guess that problem is solved now.
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Re:Oracle Wins Bid for TikTok in U.S. by psanford on Sunday September 13, 2020 @10:15PM (#24466080)
Do children not enjoy software license audits?
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Re:Oracle Wins Bid for TikTok in U.S. by kevin_thibedeau on Sunday September 13, 2020 @10:37PM (#24466204)
They're just playing the long game. This is the indoctrination to produce future middle managers that will choose Oracle products.
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Re:Oracle Wins Bid for TikTok in U.S. by sk5t on Sunday September 13, 2020 @10:53PM (#24466283)
Perhaps the children's audit problems can be overlooked if they would like to purchase some nearly-usable HR management or accountancy software at this time.
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Re:Oracle Wins Bid for TikTok in U.S. by rodgerd on Sunday September 13, 2020 @10:56PM (#24466301)
An Oracle salesman once regaled me with tales of the "Larry Bonuses" that were payoffs issued to staff sexually harassed by the boss. He seemed to find it hilarious. I was underwhelmed - I have no idea if Ellison is a serial sexual harasser, but the fact that senior sales staff find the idea hilarious and laudable says that maybe you should be worried about what Oracle staff would do with access to information about teenagers.
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Re:Oracle Wins Bid for TikTok in U.S. by sudosysgen on Sunday September 13, 2020 @11:02PM (#24466333)
TikTok will be fine. They will continue existing in every single other country.
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Re:Oracle Wins Bid for TikTok in U.S. by virtuabhi on Sunday September 13, 2020 @11:27PM (#24466468)
Banned in India. Highly dependent if Chinese open their markets or not.
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Re:Oracle Wins Bid for TikTok in U.S. by sudosysgen on Monday September 14, 2020 @12:14AM (#24466692)
"Banned" in India. In countries like India, most people are using Android and a large number are using third party app stores or installing APKs. So market presence will stay. Monetization will be impossible, sure, but India is not really profitable anyways.
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Re:Oracle Wins Bid for TikTok in U.S. by rofws on Monday September 14, 2020 @01:14AM (#24466989)
> a large number are using third party app stores or installing APKs

Any source for this? I wasn't aware that third party stores are used by the general population as commonly as the play store anywhere.

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Re:Oracle Wins Bid for TikTok in U.S. by sangnoir on Monday September 14, 2020 @03:02AM (#24467579)
I've been to a developing country where I suspect split between play store and bluetooth APK sharing is about 50/50. Most phones have APK sharing application installed at the point of purchase and some people aren't even signed-in on the Play store, despite using the internet and WhatsApp.
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Re:Oracle Wins Bid for TikTok in U.S. by stann on Monday September 14, 2020 @06:09AM (#24468515)
Xender is more popular than Play store near where I live
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Re:Oracle Wins Bid for TikTok in U.S. by sudosysgen on Monday September 14, 2020 @01:47AM (#24467177)
As commonly? Outside of China, not really a thing. But widely used, and complemented even more strongly with installation of APKs? Yes.
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Re:Oracle Wins Bid for TikTok in U.S. by sbmthakur on Monday September 14, 2020 @04:22AM (#24467973)
As an Indian who is around many non-tech oriented Android users, I am not sure about a large number of people using third-party stores. It will be interesting to see a survey or study about it.

Another thing is that with such bans, all major ISPs and network carriers are instructed to block the traffic to the related domains, so the app won't work anyway unless they roll out with a lot of changes.

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Re:Oracle Wins Bid for TikTok in U.S. by jjcon on Monday September 14, 2020 @12:54AM (#24466889)
Japan and Australia have legislation in the works and there are rumblings in a few EU countries.
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Re:Oracle Wins Bid for TikTok in U.S. by blackrock on Monday September 14, 2020 @04:01AM (#24467866)
India is not a relevant market.
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Re:Oracle Wins Bid for TikTok in U.S. by rhengles on Sunday September 13, 2020 @08:39PM (#24465352)
This is one of those comments that I think there should be a wall of fame for it to be displayed. Another one I'm reminded of is this one[0].

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8279606

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Re:Oracle Wins Bid for TikTok in U.S. by kohtatsu on Sunday September 13, 2020 @08:45PM (#24465399)
You can favourite comments for people to see them in your profile. Click on the time of the comment for the link to appear.
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Re:Oracle Wins Bid for TikTok in U.S. by zaroth on Sunday September 13, 2020 @10:22PM (#24466116)
Someone did this for posts last week (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24351073) but I don't know if there would be enough overlap to do it for comments.
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Re:Oracle Wins Bid for TikTok in U.S. by yesbabyyes on Monday September 14, 2020 @01:48AM (#24467183)
IIRC, one of HN's most favorite comments is the one describing the experience of developing the Oracle database.
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Re:Oracle Wins Bid for TikTok in U.S. by yesbabyyes on Monday September 14, 2020 @06:42AM (#24468656)
Here is the list of the most favorited comments on HN as compiled by 'dang:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24360449

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Re:Oracle Wins Bid for TikTok in U.S. by yjftsjthsd-h on Monday September 14, 2020 @04:11PM (#24474553)
Probably this one, then: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18442941
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Re:Oracle Wins Bid for TikTok in U.S. by snowmaker on Monday September 14, 2020 @01:45AM (#24467171)
Wow, this video about Oracle is a must-watch. I was in fits of laughter.
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Re:Oracle Wins Bid for TikTok in U.S. by microcolonel on Sunday September 13, 2020 @10:19PM (#24466102)
Bryan is brilliant, but he misses the mark on generalizations. Popular generalizations are actually pretty accurate.
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Re:Oracle Wins Bid for TikTok in U.S. by yjftsjthsd-h on Sunday September 13, 2020 @10:35PM (#24466196)
Possibly on a macro scale, rarely on a micro scale.
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Re:Oracle Wins Bid for TikTok in U.S. by Guthur on Sunday September 13, 2020 @11:14PM (#24466395)
If you are generalising on the micro scale you're definitely doing it wrong :)
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Re:Oracle Wins Bid for TikTok in U.S. by yjftsjthsd-h on Sunday September 13, 2020 @11:32PM (#24466501)
I mean, yeah, but it's a super common bug in humans, who frequently want to translate between scales incorrectly (hence law of large/small numbers gambling errors, some kinds of discrimination/prejudice, bad generalizations, being upset when a 90% likely event doesn't happen, etc.)
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