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Re:Deep learning job postings have collapsed in the past six... by The_rationalist on Monday August 31, 2020 @09:11AM (#24331075)
I observe the state of the art on most Nlp tasks since many years: In 2018,2019 there was huge progress made each year on most tasks. 2020,except for a few tasks have mostly stagnated... NLP accuracy is generally not production ready but the pace of progress was quick enough to have huge hopes. The root cause of the evil is: Nobody has build upon the state of the art pre trained language: XLnet while there are hundreds of declinaisons of BERTs. Just because of Google being behind it, if XLnet was owned by Google 2020 would have been different. I also believe that pre trained language have reached a plateau and we need new original ideas such as bringing variational autoencoder to Nlp and using metaoptimizers such as Ranger.

The most pathetic one is that: Many major Nlp tasks have old SOTA in BERT just because nobody cared of using (not improving) XLnet on them which is absolute shame, I mean on many major tasks we could trivially win many percents of accuracy but nobody qualified bothered to do it,where goes the money then? To many NIH papers I guess.

There's also not enough synergies, there are many interesting ideas that just needs to be combined and I think there's not enough funding for that, it's not exciting enough...

I pray for 2021 to be a better year for AI, otherwise it will show evidence for a new AI progress winter

Re:Deep learning job postings have collapsed in the past six... by bratao on Monday August 31, 2020 @10:08AM (#24331579)
I do not agree with this. I work heavily with NLP models for production in the Legal domain (where my baseline is where a 8GB 1080 must predict more than 1000 words/sec). This year was when our team glued enough pieces of Deep Learning to outperform our previous statistic/old ML pipeline that was been optimized for years.

Little things compound such as optimizers ( Ranger/Adahessian), better RNN ( IndRNN, Linear Transformers, Hopfield networks ) and techniques (cache everywhere, Torch script,gradient accumulation training)

Re:Deep learning job postings have collapsed in the past six... by danieldk on Monday August 31, 2020 @01:47PM (#24333990)
I do not agree with this. I work heavily with NLP models for production in the Legal domain (where my baseline is where a 8GB 1080 must predict more than 1000 words/sec).

What kind of network are you using? I can do near-SoTA multi-task syntax annotation [1] with ~4000 tokens/s (~225 sentences/s) on a CPU with 4 threads using a transformer. Predicting 1000 words/second on a reasonably modern a GPU is easy, even with a relatively deep transformer network.

[1] 8 tasks, including dependency parsing.

Re:Deep learning job postings have collapsed in the past six... by maxlamb on Monday August 31, 2020 @11:12AM (#24332268)
Interesting. What's the main goal(s) of your NLP models?
Re:Deep learning job postings have collapsed in the past six... by bratao on Monday August 31, 2020 @11:41AM (#24332564)
We work on multiple models, all related to legal proceedings and lawsuits, such as: - Structure Judicial Federal Register texts - Identify entities in Legal texts (citation to laws, other lawsuits) - Predict time to completion, risk and amount due of a lawsuit - Classifying judicial proceedings to non lawyers
Re:Deep learning job postings have collapsed in the past six... by grumple on Monday August 31, 2020 @02:27PM (#24334423)
How accurate is your prediction of time/risk/amount? How useful is identifying entities or classifying proceedings?
Re:Deep learning job postings have collapsed in the past six... by liviosoares on Monday August 31, 2020 @09:52AM (#24331429)
Just to clarify one of your points regarding Google's involvement: XLnet, and the underlying TransformerXL technology, did have Google researchers involved:

* https://ai.googleblog.com/2019/01/transformer-xl-unleashing-...

* https://arxiv.org/pdf/1901.02860.pdf

* https://arxiv.org/pdf/1906.08237.pdf

My understanding is that a CMU student interned at Google and developed most of the pieces of TransformerXL, which formed the basis of XLNet. The student and the Google researcher further collaborated with CMU researchers to finalize the work.

(For the record, I think the remainder of your points do not match my understanding of NLP, which I do research in, but I just really wanted to clarify the XLNet story a bit).

Re:Deep learning job postings have collapsed in the past six... by lacker on Monday August 31, 2020 @09:45AM (#24331377)
Could you give an example of a major task that you think the state of the art could be trivially improved on with the xlnet approach?
Re:Deep learning job postings have collapsed in the past six... by sooheon on Monday August 31, 2020 @09:55AM (#24331464)
Long (>2048 tokens) sequences.

But GP is too focused on hyping XLNet for some reason. There are much more elegant attempts at improving the transformer architecture in just the past 8 months: Reformer, Performer, Macaron Net, and my current pet paper, Normalized Attention Pooling (https://arxiv.org/abs/2005.09561).

Re:Deep learning job postings have collapsed in the past six... by The_rationalist on Monday August 31, 2020 @07:30PM (#24336956)
But GP is too focused on hyping XLNet for some reason. Yeah some reasons, it might be because of stars alignment and could variate inversely with the weather. Or it might be because it's the paper with the biggest number of first place at SOTA leaderboards? https://paperswithcode.com/paper/xlnet-generalized-autoregre...

I've queried most of your examples on the SOTA database that is paperswithcode.com and they have almost zero results. You illustrate the problem, if researchers like you don't even know the general SOTA, how can it be expected to be beaten? But beyond scientists ignorance there is also the problem of models not submitting their results to paperswithcode.com or not testing them extensively but only on niche benchmarks. This second behavior sentence such potentially promising models to remain unknown and therefore mostly irrelevant.

It's always remarkable how one can be a smart researcher and yet not adjust its behavior to be rational regarding those two flaws (not seeking SOTA knowledge, and not promoting SOTA knowledge; READ, WRITE)

Re:Deep learning job postings have collapsed in the past six... by The_rationalist on Monday August 31, 2020 @07:15PM (#24336840)
I asked the (at the time) SOTA author to replace its BERT implementation with XLnet. He accepted and won 0.5% of accuracy on constituency parsing https://github.com/sebastianruder/NLP-progress/blob/master/e... which is actually a huge, it means 5% less errors.

Which tasks remain to be tried? Most actually but an obvious one would be coreference resolution https://github.com/sebastianruder/NLP-progress/blob/master/e...

Re:Deep learning job postings have collapsed in the past six... by dpflan on Monday August 31, 2020 @09:45AM (#24331378)
Thanks for the information. Do you know how the pandemic affected research output for 2020?
Re:Deep learning job postings have collapsed in the past six... by p1esk on Monday August 31, 2020 @10:42AM (#24331928)
It'd be ironic if your comment was generated by GPT-3. But forget GPT-3. In 10 years, looking back at AI history, the year 2020 will probably be viewed as the point separating pre GPT-4 and post GPT-4 epochs. GPT-4 is the model I expect to make things interesting again, not just in NLP, but in AI.
Re:Deep learning job postings have collapsed in the past six... by freyr on Monday August 31, 2020 @11:42AM (#24332574)
Are any of the recent NLP advancements due to improvements beyond throwing more data and horsepower at “dumb” models? Will GPT-4 be any different?

It seems like the current approaches will always fall short of our loftier AI aspirations, but we’re reaching a level of mimicry where we can start to ask, “Does it matter for this task?”

Re:Deep learning job postings have collapsed in the past six... by p1esk on Monday August 31, 2020 @02:00PM (#24334136)
Will GPT-4 be any different?

That's the point - it does not need to be different. If it demonstrates similar improvement to what we saw with GPT-1 --> GPT-2 --> GPT-3, then it will be enough to actually start using it. It's like the progression MNIST --> CIFAR-10 --> ImageNet --> the point where object recognition is good enough for real world applications.

But in addition to making it bigger, we can also make it better: smarter attention, external data queries, better word encoding, better data quality, more than one data type as input, etc. There's plenty of room for improvement.

Re:Deep learning job postings have collapsed in the past six... by disgruntledphd2 on Monday August 31, 2020 @12:38PM (#24333132)
No, almost all the progress is driven by bigger GPUs and datasets.

To be fair, things like CNN's and BERT were definitely massive improvements, but a lot of modern AI is just throwing compute at problems and seeing what sticks.

Re:Deep learning job postings have collapsed in the past six... by The_rationalist on Monday August 31, 2020 @07:08PM (#24336787)
It's not because something seems smart that it actually is. GPT - 3 is ridiculous in that it doesn't have semantic understanding. Text generation is the wrong task, it's cool to watch and actually fuel hype on the ML train but what you're really looking for is semantic parsing, which GPT or openAI has nothing to do with and is mostly underfunded.