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Re:Dots don't matter in Gmail addresses by liquidgecka on Friday August 28, 2020 @11:46AM (#24306236)
Been there. I posted about this before but I own a 5 character common first and last name @gmail.com address. I get misdirected emails _constantly_.

Usually I am polite about it and let people know, but sometimes I make a game of it. I was invited to participate in a drum circle with an offer to pay for my flight to which I replied that I would love to join, but they would also have to pay for drum lessons. I got a mother insisting that I come home for the weekend to which I replied that I am home, perhaps she hadn't knocked hard enough.. etc.

At one point I got like 15 emails deriding me and my choice to "not support firefighters". Turns out that a member of a city council had listed his email as councilman.<me>@gmail.com and most people just ignored everything before that period. I took it as a challenge to see what the most outlandish thing I could say was that would be believed. Some of the better attempts: "My wife had an affair with a firefighter once!" and "My house has never burned down, why do we even need these guys?".. etc.

With most of the financial emails you can unsubscribe at least. =/

Re:Dots don't matter in Gmail addresses by boring_twenties on Friday August 28, 2020 @01:48PM (#24307809)
Unsubscribe, man, I'm jealous.

Some dude 2,000 miles away from me has bought a Lexus and now I get regular emails about the status of his vehicle, receipts for all work done to it, and reminders of all maintenance not done to it. For a year and counting.

Each email helpfully includes instructions for unsubscribing: First, you log into the Lexus app...

I finally got fed up with it and reported them to abuse@.

Re:Dots don't matter in Gmail addresses by williamscales on Friday August 28, 2020 @02:55PM (#24308656)
Well, since you have the email, you can log in to the Lexus app. Then you could turn off the notifications.
Re:Dots don't matter in Gmail addresses by boring_twenties on Friday August 28, 2020 @03:01PM (#24308718)
I'm not sure about this but wouldn't that be a felony?
Re:Dots don't matter in Gmail addresses by treeman79 on Friday August 28, 2020 @03:10PM (#24308799)
Yes.

99.9% chance no one would care. But people do freak out over this stuff.

Knew one guy that saw that a Bank got hacked on the news. Did an nslookup or similar to check the banks site.

He was arrested the next day and expelled from college for hacking the bank.

Eventually all got cleared up, but screwed up a year of his life

Re:Dots don't matter in Gmail addresses by dtparr on Friday August 28, 2020 @03:34PM (#24309037)
He got expelled for running a DNS query?

Do you mean nmap?

Re:Dots don't matter in Gmail addresses by treeman79 on Friday August 28, 2020 @03:56PM (#24309258)
Maybe. Was awhile ago
Re:Dots don't matter in Gmail addresses by boring_twenties on Friday August 28, 2020 @11:15PM (#24313076)
Yeah, I'd rather not take a 0.1% chance of losing my rights for life over some spam email.
Re:Dots don't matter in Gmail addresses by bjohnson225 on Tuesday September 08, 2020 @03:13PM (#24411874)

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Re:Dots don't matter in Gmail addresses by laurent92 on Friday August 28, 2020 @05:26PM (#24310163)
Can you claim you thought it was your account? Then, to demonstrate you knew it wasn’t yours, they’d have to collect various proof, and this demonstration being erratic and risky, they’d probably not attempt a trial.
Re:Dots don't matter in Gmail addresses by boring_twenties on Friday August 28, 2020 @11:19PM (#24313103)
I can probably claim whatever I want, but given I've never even looked at a Lexus dealership in my life, I doubt I could pull it off.
Re:Dots don't matter in Gmail addresses by williamscales on Monday August 31, 2020 @11:11AM (#24332256)
I'm not sure either, but couldn't you argue that it _is_ your Lexus account? It has _your_ email on it after all. That is the single important identifier attached to the account. The other stuff doesn't matter.
Re:Dots don't matter in Gmail addresses by rorykoehler on Friday August 28, 2020 @03:20PM (#24308915)
Just create a filter to auto delete them
Re:Dots don't matter in Gmail addresses by boring_twenties on Friday August 28, 2020 @11:21PM (#24313112)
Perfectly reasonable solution but somehow just unsatisfying.

In the old days, when I ran my own mail server, I used to enjoy rejecting them with custom SMTP 550 messages.

Now I can't do that so I hard to resort to bothering the poor folks at abuse@.

In my defense, they have emailed me from 3 or so different domains/services, so I've had to set up a filter more than once.

Re:Dots don't matter in Gmail addresses by pwinnski on Friday August 28, 2020 @01:27PM (#24307531)
> I own a 5 character common first and last name @gmail.com address

Were you a Google employee? Or did you mean something other than how I read this, that your first and last name combined are 5 characters? Because I believe 5-character usernames are not permitted for gmail addresses.

I tried to confirm this and provide a link, but all of support.google.com appears to be non-responsive right now. When it stars working again, this may support my assertion: https://support.google.com/mail/answer/9211434?hl=en

Re:Dots don't matter in Gmail addresses by liquidgecka on Friday August 28, 2020 @01:35PM (#24307646)
I was an early Gmail SRE so I was able to circumvent the restrictions. It was a bad idea it turns out. For a project I also created "[email protected]" and caused a production outage due to the volume of mail it got forwarded. =)

But yes your right, 6 characters is the minimum of "open" gmail accounts. I know of at least a dozen 2 character accounts created by insiders though.

Re:Dots don't matter in Gmail addresses by pwinnski on Friday August 28, 2020 @01:46PM (#24307789)
I am 'pwinnski' nearly everywhere now, because on April 1, 2005, I was not allowed to create a gmail account of only the first five characters. Goodbye to 15 years of the old 5-character username, and hello to what is now 15 years of the new 8-character username!

At the time, I thought about pestering my Google-employee friends, but decided to just suck it up.

Re:Dots don't matter in Gmail addresses by bookofjoe on Sunday August 30, 2020 @05:55PM (#24326251)
Synchronicity: You joined HN June 28, 2016 I joined May 8, 2016
Re:Dots don't matter in Gmail addresses by pwinnski on Monday August 31, 2020 @03:55PM (#24335319)
Weird. I wonder if you told me about it back then, or it was a coincidence.
Re:Dots don't matter in Gmail addresses by bookofjoe on Monday August 31, 2020 @06:09PM (#24336401)
That is such an interesting question; it could be either one IMHO, with equal likelihood
Re:Dots don't matter in Gmail addresses by HenryBemis on Friday August 28, 2020 @05:34PM (#24310245)
I got a friend that also snatched a 5-letter Gmail account back in the day. He was kind enough to facilitate that I get one to but I got my own domain since forever so didn't get to get one.
Re:Dots don't matter in Gmail addresses by martinflack on Friday August 28, 2020 @05:43PM (#24310348)
> I was an ... SRE ...... I ... caused a production outage

I have nothing to add, except that you made me smile on a Friday afternoon.

Re:Dots don't matter in Gmail addresses by liquidgecka on Saturday August 29, 2020 @12:47AM (#24313635)
Google war story: we used to get digital badges on our employee profiles to indicate useful things like ability to write c++ or python, or having worked on a specific project, etc. I got "porn cookie" for working on the safe search stuff.

Anyway, I designed a badge called "I broke Gmail" that would get applied to anybody that did exactly that. I intended a hint of shame but I got a wall of emails asking to get it with explanations of how each had broken the service at some point.

Re:Dots don't matter in Gmail addresses by londons_explore on Friday August 28, 2020 @11:04PM (#24313020)
Nearly all SRE's have caused an outage of some kind... The trick is to design your systems well enough that even when there is an outage few/no people notice...
Re:Dots don't matter in Gmail addresses by sethammons on Friday August 28, 2020 @05:10PM (#24309979)
that's a fantastic outage :)
Re:Dots don't matter in Gmail addresses by adenner on Friday August 28, 2020 @02:26PM (#24308344)
As the lucky early adopter of gmail I got my last name only @gmail.com. It has been a blessing and a curse.

I have a boilerplate "you have the wrong address" email in multiple languages that I use to reply to the first email from real people. If they persist they then get added to my auto-reply "you have the wrong address" and delete rule.

For automated emails, I don't even bother trying to unsubscribe. They all get added to the delete blacklist rule.

Some of the more fun mistakes I have gotten have been multiple years worth of tax documents from New South Wales, Wine Tastings in South Africa, Church Choir concerts in Germany, and resumes for a receptionist in Colorado at a Gym.

Re:Dots don't matter in Gmail addresses by johnnyo on Friday August 28, 2020 @03:07PM (#24308772)
I have a similar address and get a lot of similar email.

My personal favorite was a contract offer to play for a minor league baseball team in the Midwest a few summers back.

I also once got hired by the National Park Service for what sounded like a nice gig as a park ranger.

Re:Dots don't matter in Gmail addresses by liquidgecka on Friday August 28, 2020 @03:36PM (#24309051)
Ohh yea I forgot that I got mailed a bunch of movie pass financial details while they were still a hot property! That was.. erm.. eye opening.
Re:Dots don't matter in Gmail addresses by jaredwiener on Friday August 28, 2020 @01:13PM (#24307375)
Likewise -- I fall firmly into this XKCD https://xkcd.com/1279/

My e-doppelgängers have priced cars across the state of Ohio, been active in the PTA, pursued higher education in Germany, and seems to always be interested in commercial real estate in the outer boroughs of NYC.

Though once -- I received an email asking me to please just apologize to my sister already.

I replied, "I think you have the wrong email address; I don't have a sister."

I saw a response -- "HOW COULD YOU SAY THAT? Your mother is crying." I thought it best to just walk away at that point.

Re:Dots don't matter in Gmail addresses by liquidgecka on Friday August 28, 2020 @01:40PM (#24307717)
Re:Dots don't matter in Gmail addresses by fishtacos on Saturday August 29, 2020 @08:00AM (#24315488)
Never thought it'd happen to me, having come across this topic before, but I'm happy to say I can join this club.

It's the same guy, who works in a Eastern European country, where I emigrated from.

The first instance, he was asking his supervisor to use his vacation time so he and family could make a trip to Mecca for Hajj. I chuckled and ignored it.

Second time random picture of some massive metal parts from what looked like some factory he works at.

Third time was this year, very recently and I received a pretty unnecessarily detailed email about how he had to turn back home because he had soiled himself while driving to work... That one made me worry he had gotten Covid.

I guess I'm this guy's boss now.

Re:Dots don't matter in Gmail addresses by saagarjha on Friday August 28, 2020 @12:45PM (#24307006)
That poor councilman…
Re:Dots don't matter in Gmail addresses by lokar on Friday August 28, 2020 @05:43PM (#24310340)
Try having a 3 char username (@gmail), it never ends.
Re:Dots don't matter in Gmail addresses by djtriptych on Friday August 28, 2020 @01:18PM (#24307431)
almost positive 6 is the minimum character length for gmail addresses.
Re:Dots don't matter in Gmail addresses by liquidgecka on Friday August 28, 2020 @01:36PM (#24307656)
See my comment above.. It is, I was a Gmail SRE that could circumvent the restrictions on that. =)
Re:Dots don't matter in Gmail addresses by ahauxuueei on Friday August 28, 2020 @01:29PM (#24307566)
almost positive 5 + 5 > 6
Re:Dots don't matter in Gmail addresses by liquidgecka on Friday August 28, 2020 @01:42PM (#24307741)
nono.. its a single word that is common as a first and last name. There are a BUNCH of cases where its applicable! =)

But yea, 5 characters. I was an early gmail SRE so I was able to circumvent the restrictions. =)

Re:Dots don't matter in Gmail addresses by anticensor on Friday August 28, 2020 @05:18PM (#24310079)
Re:Dots don't matter in Gmail addresses by liquidgecka on Saturday August 29, 2020 @12:49AM (#24313642)
No.. but iirc I made that one at one point before abandoning it.