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Re:Apple helped make 'top secret' iPod for US government by ChuckNorris89 on Wednesday August 19, 2020 @01:46PM (#24213448)
Can anyone be so kind as to explain to me why did Apple accept to do this work without contract and payment, as the blog describes?

Engineer hours cost the company time they would otherwise invest in their current products in development.

Why do it for free? It's not like the US Gov can't afford it.

Re:Apple helped make 'top secret' iPod for US government by kube-system on Wednesday August 19, 2020 @02:26PM (#24214078)
Companies do free work for large potential customers all of the time, in lots of industries. The idea is that you do something small to demonstrate your capability to take on a larger paid opportunity.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proof_of_concept

Re:Apple helped make 'top secret' iPod for US government by niffydroid on Wednesday August 19, 2020 @01:57PM (#24213611)
Probably out of good faith. Can't be accused of not helping the US government. Also sets a bar of how much help they'll willing to offer. Maybe also wanted control over who had access to their information, rather give it to them then have it stolen
Re:Apple helped make 'top secret' iPod for US government by giancarlostoro on Wednesday August 19, 2020 @02:07PM (#24213761)
Not to mention other defense / government agencies might come forward to Apple with projects.
Re:Apple helped make 'top secret' iPod for US government by WilTimSon on Wednesday August 19, 2020 @02:13PM (#24213854)
Because complying with the government is a good idea when that government keeps giving you tax breaks and favourable treatment. Most companies, even ones that oppose some state policies (particularly surveillance), cooperate with government or get funding from them still. So not burning bridges is important. I'm sure the expenses weren't too significant but letting the project go free gives them tons of goodwill from the leaders.
Re:Apple helped make 'top secret' iPod for US government by Invictus0 on Wednesday August 19, 2020 @01:57PM (#24213620)
There is a cultural precedent here with Graphing Calculator: https://www.pacifict.com/Story/
Re:Apple helped make 'top secret' iPod for US government by dhosek on Wednesday August 19, 2020 @02:30PM (#24214147)
Not really a precedent, imho, but still a great story.

My favorite part, the last line, "We wanted to release a Windows version as part of Windows 98, but sadly, Microsoft has effective building security."

Re:Apple helped make 'top secret' iPod for US government by rootsudo on Wednesday August 19, 2020 @02:52PM (#24214527)
First time I read this story! :) Thanks, I never knew!
Re:Apple helped make 'top secret' iPod for US government by simonh on Wednesday August 19, 2020 @01:56PM (#24213603)
It sounds like it was really just a few hours of one engineer’s time, when he didn’t have any imminent deadlines. Not enough to compromise any ongoing projects.
Re:Apple helped make 'top secret' iPod for US government by chromaton on Wednesday August 19, 2020 @04:18PM (#24215770)
Government: "We'll give you this big no-bid contract, but there's one other thing you need to do for us first..."
Re:Apple helped make 'top secret' iPod for US government by vaxman on Wednesday August 19, 2020 @03:12PM (#24214821)
As was widely reported at that time, the three letter agencies were among the largest customers of NeXTStep, the software that forms the basis of the professional operating system that Apple later acquired to replace the original unorthodox (and barely functioning) software that Jobs hobbled together with a motley crew of hackers while running Apple during the DOS era. Enterprises of all kinds that had the flexibility (or pressure) to think outside of the box went with NeXTStep because it allowed totally custom applications to be developed in record time (using things like Interface Builder, today part of the visual layout in Xcode). It is totally unsurprising that they would turn to their long time partner Steve Jobs for help with a mobile solution and that he would do it for free to eventually sell of more technology to those long time customers from before he sold NeXT to Apple and became its iCEO.
Re:Apple helped make 'top secret' iPod for US government by scohesc on Wednesday August 19, 2020 @03:11PM (#24214811)
It's like sticking your foot in the door on the small level, except translating it to the big picture, where spending a paltry few million on a custom iPod could lead to billion dollar contracts in the long-term.
Re:Apple helped make 'top secret' iPod for US government by csboyer on Wednesday August 19, 2020 @02:17PM (#24213905)
I’m sure Apple’s government relations attorney was involved in some way and helped keep the project siloed. There was likely some contract, but is buried now.
Re:Apple helped make 'top secret' iPod for US government by moftz on Thursday August 20, 2020 @01:05PM (#24225586)
Government pays for the work but does it through a cutout company so Apple isn't tied to work. They get the money to pay the Bechtel engineers and the government gets their iPod fairly.