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Re:Beta users of Starlink get downloads of 11 to 60 Mbps by CarelessExpert on Friday August 14, 2020 @03:03PM (#24161931)
Honestly, one of the barriers to my moving to a more rural area and working remotely was broadband access, but Starlink could very well solve that problem...
Re:Beta users of Starlink get downloads of 11 to 60 Mbps by medion on Friday August 14, 2020 @05:25PM (#24163477)
In Australia I moved to a very rural place, buying a house based on where I could get wireless broadband as part of our nationwide broadband rollout - I now live in a beautiful remote place overlooking the ocean with 50/20mbps Internet. Before here, I lived in another rural place near the ocean, however there was no broadband and 4G was too expensive. I ended up making friends with someone who had a 1gbps fibrelink 10km away - we spent weekends building a point to point network, and I ended up with an extremely reliable 20mbps connection for about $300 in parts over Mikrotik routers.

As other people have said, you can make it happen if you really want!

Re:Beta users of Starlink get downloads of 11 to 60 Mbps by choeger on Friday August 14, 2020 @05:39PM (#24163609)
Ok you got me with "overlooking the ocean". I will admit, I was a little bit envious. But then I recalled the great Terry Pratchett quote that you are living on a continent where pretty much every animal, except for maybe some sheep, is equipped with some venom and actively trying to kill you. Plus some of the plants. So I guess it's fair play.
Re:Beta users of Starlink get downloads of 11 to 60 Mbps by emmelaich on Friday August 14, 2020 @09:50PM (#24165220)
It is a very much overdone reputation. I've lived in Aus all my life, much of it rural and I don't know a single person who has been bitten by a snake or shark let alone died. Spider - maybe but most a very shy. But again some bitten, not one died that I know of.

Compare to the USA. Cougars and bears should scare you MUCH more than anything in Australia. And rabies. We have no rabies.

Some rabies-like diseases but you would have to be extremely unlucky to get those (lyssavirus from bats for instance)

Re:Beta users of Starlink get downloads of 11 to 60 Mbps by jamil7 on Saturday August 15, 2020 @02:28AM (#24166517)
In the USA you might also just you know, get shot.
Re:Beta users of Starlink get downloads of 11 to 60 Mbps by tekknik on Monday August 17, 2020 @09:06AM (#24186829)
It took all of two minutes to find a shooting incident in Australia from last year, showing not only that youre wrong, but that yet again gun control stops law abiding citizens but not criminals.

https://www.npr.org/2019/06/05/729901315/deadly-shooting-sho...

Re:Beta users of Starlink get downloads of 11 to 60 Mbps by jamil7 on Monday August 17, 2020 @09:19AM (#24186938)
I'm wrong about what? The grandparent made a joke about dangerous animals killing people in Australia, I made a joke about guns killing people in America. Also picking out a single data point is a strange way to prove your point and try and start an argument about gun control in the US vs Australia, a debate I don't care to have since I don't live in either country.
Re:Beta users of Starlink get downloads of 11 to 60 Mbps by tekknik on Wednesday August 19, 2020 @12:15AM (#24207097)
Ok so you have no care about the subject, no care about either country, you saw it fit to respond.....

And yes one datapoint is all it takes to show you can die in Australia from a gun just like in the US and nearly, if not every, country on earth. What a wonderful thing to joke about.

Re:Beta users of Starlink get downloads of 11 to 60 Mbps by jamil7 on Wednesday August 19, 2020 @12:19PM (#24212136)
Well tone is hard to convey over this medium but you saw fit to hijack this thread and push whatever adgeda you have about gun control.
Re:Beta users of Starlink get downloads of 11 to 60 Mbps by tekknik on Thursday August 20, 2020 @08:03AM (#24222341)
That you don’t care about.
Re:Beta users of Starlink get downloads of 11 to 60 Mbps by bremensaki on Friday August 14, 2020 @10:22PM (#24165346)
From an Australian perspective, the USA can look like a place where the earth might suddenly turn to jelly and knock your city down, or giant wind vortexes could descend from the sky and carry you away - things which seem more terrifying to me than a few animals I can easily avoid.

I kind of assume those things are blown out of proportion in media much the same way our wildlife is.

Re:Beta users of Starlink get downloads of 11 to 60 Mbps by oneeyedpigeon on Saturday August 15, 2020 @04:33AM (#24167118)
We should take into account the fact that Terry Pratchett lived in England where there is very little in the way of either deadly wildlife or significant natural disasters.
Re:Beta users of Starlink get downloads of 11 to 60 Mbps by sbierwagen on Saturday August 15, 2020 @04:59AM (#24167240)
Those are generally problems in the warm parts of the US. If you can survive snowy winters, you won't see much of the more exciting natural disasters. There are no hurricanes or tornadoes in Maine.
Re:Beta users of Starlink get downloads of 11 to 60 Mbps by medion on Friday August 14, 2020 @09:45PM (#24165209)
This is part of a global 5G/Soros/Gates conspiracy to keep Australia uninhabited - I've never been bitten by anything - maybe a bee when I was 12? And I spend the majority of my time walking, hiking, surfing, sailing, camping, etc.
Re:Beta users of Starlink get downloads of 11 to 60 Mbps by tekknik on Monday August 17, 2020 @09:08AM (#24186850)
Minor nitpick, bees don’t bite, they sting. Biting happens with the mouth (ants, beetles, etc) not a stinger.
Re:Beta users of Starlink get downloads of 11 to 60 Mbps by dylan604 on Friday August 14, 2020 @07:22PM (#24164438)
Move one more island over to New Zealand. The animal kingdom is much more friendly.
Re:Beta users of Starlink get downloads of 11 to 60 Mbps by BigJono on Friday August 14, 2020 @11:48PM (#24165746)
Rubbish. I went to New Zealand once and the fucking mozzies were the size of a golf ball.

I'll take the one redback encounter every 5 years in Australia thanks.

Re:Beta users of Starlink get downloads of 11 to 60 Mbps by james_s_tayler on Saturday August 15, 2020 @01:08AM (#24166128)
Well as a kiwi I remember at the tender age of 11 going to Australia for the first time and finding a stick insect on the footpath about as long as my forearm the first time we left the hotel. That was fun.

Actually I lived there a couple years in my late teens and you look up at the power lines and see big spiders in them but that's about it.

I've been far more terrified of my encounters with Suzumebachi and Mukade in Japan.

And the one time I went to the USA I nearly had a panic attack as soon as I left the hotel and didn't spend more than 2 hours outside the whole 6 days I was there cos the idea of a lot of poor, disenfranchised, mentally unstable people with guns just freaks me out.

Re:Beta users of Starlink get downloads of 11 to 60 Mbps by sbierwagen on Saturday August 15, 2020 @05:04AM (#24167263)
The seriously poor won't have guns, they're too expensive. Generally the (...mentally present...) homeless are terrified of getting injured, because of course no health insurance. They're not doing muggings.

Knives and sticks are a different matter.

Re:Beta users of Starlink get downloads of 11 to 60 Mbps by c00ls0sa on Saturday August 15, 2020 @05:36AM (#24167479)
Los Angelino here I gotta say the homeless are absolutely 100% not afraid of being injured and are only on this plane of reality in a physical sense. Take a drive down Venice boulevard to Skid Row and you will see encampments of a symbiotic nature - literal fused together tents with working lights on the ground level of skyscrapers with garbage fires to keep warm. Australia has the reputation for killer bugs, a walk into south side Chicago is exponentially more terrifying than any wildlife encounter as at least animals follow patterns and will typically leave you alone if vice versa. We are an unhinged and well armed people with lack of affordable healthcare. But I do have 90 mbps download and upload speed so I kinda just keep my head in the clouds.
Re:Beta users of Starlink get downloads of 11 to 60 Mbps by dylan604 on Saturday August 15, 2020 @12:05AM (#24165831)
Haha, an Aussie complaining about the insects from other countries. That's rich!! When the mosquitoes are that size, they are easy to see and catch. Here in the southern part of the US, we have to keep our small kids on leashes lest the "mozzies" carry them away.
Re:Beta users of Starlink get downloads of 11 to 60 Mbps by vermilingua on Friday August 14, 2020 @08:10PM (#24164729)
They’re only actively trying to kill us if we’re actively trying to kill them. So long as you don’t wander into the bush like an idiot, your encounters with dangerous critters are limited to whatever the cat (literally) drags in.
Re:Beta users of Starlink get downloads of 11 to 60 Mbps by justinclift on Saturday August 15, 2020 @12:59AM (#24166086)
Heh Heh Heh. Well, Isaac Butterfields response applies:

https://youtu.be/t1uZZ_xRYvQ?t=153

Snakes and spiders are pretty much it. Snakes are very rare to see unless you travel to the bush. Spiders though, are common outside.

Once you've learned not to turn over rocks in your garden (with your bare hands anyway), you're fine. :)

Re:Beta users of Starlink get downloads of 11 to 60 Mbps by choeger on Saturday August 15, 2020 @03:02AM (#24166674)
> Once you've learned not to turn over rocks in your garden

You have no idea how ridiculous that sounds to me.

Re:Beta users of Starlink get downloads of 11 to 60 Mbps by justinclift on Saturday August 15, 2020 @05:50AM (#24167562)
It's the kind of thing you learn as a kid in Australia. It's super common to have "red back" spiders under rocks, logs, or pretty much any object that's stationary on the ground for more than a few days.

Red back spiders are poisonous, evil looking little buggers! ;)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redback_spider

Funnel web spiders are a thing as well, but they seem to be less common here in Victoria (south eastern Australia). Red backs though are everywhere.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_funnel-web_spider

Re:Beta users of Starlink get downloads of 11 to 60 Mbps by choeger on Saturday August 15, 2020 @04:56PM (#24172333)
That is creepy. I could not relax in such a garden, let alone let the kids play in it.
Re:Beta users of Starlink get downloads of 11 to 60 Mbps by aidenn0 on Friday August 14, 2020 @10:06PM (#24165288)
Honey bees are the number one venomous killer in Australia.
Re:Beta users of Starlink get downloads of 11 to 60 Mbps by lobe on Saturday August 15, 2020 @05:11AM (#24167301)
I just moved out of Sydney to somewhere regional (not rural). NBN installation is turning into a joke (probably a month or two off due to tree roots growing through a cable) so I have turned to 4g. Telstra now do 200gb a month for $75, which has allowed me to stay here working (work only data usage is 100-150gb a month). Didn't think I'd be grateful to Telstra ever in my life, but here I am.
Re:Beta users of Starlink get downloads of 11 to 60 Mbps by insta_anon on Friday August 14, 2020 @08:49PM (#24164962)
That sounds very interesting (I am also in Australia). Would you mind sharing (roughly) where you live?
Re:Beta users of Starlink get downloads of 11 to 60 Mbps by emmelaich on Friday August 14, 2020 @09:57PM (#24165252)
Many places along the entire east coast would match. And Tasmania.

BTW while checking that latitude (southern half of Tasmania), I found this interesting website.

https://birrraus.com/

"(Better Internet for Rural, Regional and Remote Australia)"

Re:Beta users of Starlink get downloads of 11 to 60 Mbps by medion on Friday August 14, 2020 @09:46PM (#24165211)
Let's say, beyond 42deg south.
Re:Beta users of Starlink get downloads of 11 to 60 Mbps by insta_anon on Friday August 14, 2020 @10:37PM (#24165416)
Oh, based on your comment I was also expecting more or less a place in QLD. What were your main reasons for Tassy? Climate? House prices?
Re:Beta users of Starlink get downloads of 11 to 60 Mbps by medion on Thursday August 20, 2020 @05:53PM (#24229461)
Climate, house prices (rather, value - acreage overlooking the ocean surrounded by trees, for less than a suburban shitbox on the mainland), remoteness, no traffic, etc. etc.
Re:Beta users of Starlink get downloads of 11 to 60 Mbps by Maximus9000 on Friday August 14, 2020 @03:59PM (#24162538)
You're not alone there. I wonder if starlink will increase property values in rural areas.
Re:Beta users of Starlink get downloads of 11 to 60 Mbps by trothamel on Friday August 14, 2020 @04:02PM (#24162577)
Especially with COVID showing the downsides to living in urban areas.
Re:Beta users of Starlink get downloads of 11 to 60 Mbps by jonny_eh on Friday August 14, 2020 @04:11PM (#24162674)
I'd rather live in an urban area during a pandemic. It's counter-intuitive but the access to testing and hospitals is very important.

https://theconversation.com/rural-america-is-more-vulnerable...

Re:Beta users of Starlink get downloads of 11 to 60 Mbps by reaperducer on Friday August 14, 2020 @06:02PM (#24163834)
I'd rather live in an urban area during a pandemic.

Consider yourself an outlier. I subscribe to several regional real estate newsletters, and for the last five months they've been all about people moving out of the cities and into small towns.

It's counter-intuitive but the access to testing and hospitals is very important.

As with any disease, the best treatment is prevention. Which is what being rural gives you.

Re:Beta users of Starlink get downloads of 11 to 60 Mbps by badloginagain on Friday August 14, 2020 @04:24PM (#24162807)
Larger amounts of people mean more chances of exposure.

Being in urban environment means higher dependence on fragile supply chains- food security is totally dependent on JIT grocery store inventories.

Rural homes, by virtue of being isolated, are easier to self isolate.

Re:Beta users of Starlink get downloads of 11 to 60 Mbps by macintux on Friday August 14, 2020 @04:27PM (#24162850)
However, if you’re able to work from home, you can self-isolate pretty much anywhere, and drive wherever you need to get food.

If urban environments start seriously breaking down due to a food supply chain problem, rural areas won’t be safe from desperate people.

Anyway, both approaches have their pros and cons, but as someone who has a fairly severe back problem and not much inclination to try to live off the grid, I’d rather be in an urban area.

Re:Beta users of Starlink get downloads of 11 to 60 Mbps by shiftpgdn on Friday August 14, 2020 @04:57PM (#24163175)
A friend of mine who served in Afghanistan said that the Afghanis living in the mountains had no idea America had invaded and no idea about a war or 9/11. At first they had thought the Americans were Russians. I think you over estimate how big America is and how remote some places can be.
Re:Beta users of Starlink get downloads of 11 to 60 Mbps by Frondo on Friday August 14, 2020 @05:42PM (#24163638)
I've traveled through some pretty remote places in both hemispheres, and the US has nothing on isolation compared to the mountains in Central Asia. Remoteness won't really protect people here, not like it would there.
Re:Beta users of Starlink get downloads of 11 to 60 Mbps by simonh on Friday August 14, 2020 @06:43PM (#24164161)
This may be a pandemic, but it’s not a zombie apocalypse.
Re:Beta users of Starlink get downloads of 11 to 60 Mbps by est31 on Friday August 14, 2020 @06:29PM (#24164066)
> rural areas won’t be safe from desperate people.

That's why you need to buy yourself a private, remote island, or at least a farm on a remote island. Also, if you don't live on it alone (regardless of ownership), it may not import more food than it exports, otherwise the other inhabitants will want to get your food.

Of course this is hard to find such an island as there aren't many such places and unless you're very rich it'll be beyond your budget anyways.

Also want to stress again that it won't be enough to just have an island, it has to be remote as well otherwise people just swim over. The number of boats is limited usually so likely few people will get to you.

Re:Beta users of Starlink get downloads of 11 to 60 Mbps by hansvm on Friday August 14, 2020 @11:22PM (#24165638)
> unless you're very rich it'll be beyond your budget anyways

I mean, there's a decent supply of islands (many with houses) that go for barely more than a Bay Area single-family home.

Re:Beta users of Starlink get downloads of 11 to 60 Mbps by Marsymars on Saturday August 15, 2020 @02:28PM (#24171092)
Not even "barely more". With 30 seconds on Google I found a 6 acre private island in Northern Ontario with a fully furnished 2200 sq ft house connected to marine electric and phone service for 360k USD.

Something more remote is even cheaper, because there's a ton of supply of islands that are only accessible by float plane, and not much demand.

Re:Beta users of Starlink get downloads of 11 to 60 Mbps by mmm_grayons on Friday August 14, 2020 @05:31PM (#24163540)
> rural areas won't be safe from desperate people

At least for America, most city folk don't seem to understand just how armed their rural counterparts are. They'd be pretty darn safe.

Re:Beta users of Starlink get downloads of 11 to 60 Mbps by murp on Saturday August 15, 2020 @12:08AM (#24165845)
That's actually a pretty good pro to stay in cities.

Mass hysteria + lots of guns = not a place I'd like to be.

Re:Beta users of Starlink get downloads of 11 to 60 Mbps by Frondo on Friday August 14, 2020 @05:41PM (#24163629)
I don't know if rural folks may realize how well-armed we are in the cities. Nearly everyone I know has a gun, and none of us is the crowd you'd normally associate with gun owners in cities.
Re:Beta users of Starlink get downloads of 11 to 60 Mbps by kortilla on Friday August 14, 2020 @05:47PM (#24163693)
Well the the stats don’t lie. Gun ownership is significantly lower in cities than in rural areas/small towns.
Re:Beta users of Starlink get downloads of 11 to 60 Mbps by aidenn0 on Friday August 14, 2020 @10:14PM (#24165318)
Per capital is higher in rural, but there are going to be more guns in a N mile radius of you in the city, and a lot more armed individuals (ten people with one gun each are more dangerous than one person with ten guns).
Re:Beta users of Starlink get downloads of 11 to 60 Mbps by hansvm on Friday August 14, 2020 @11:26PM (#24165654)
Is it possible that the stats are of the flavor (total guns)/(total people) and inflate rural ownership because of a gun for small game, a gun for large game, a gun for self defense, and in certain parts of the country a gun for extremely big fish? Or is gun ownership when computed as (count of people with guns)/(total people) still inflated in rural areas?
Re:Beta users of Starlink get downloads of 11 to 60 Mbps by mmm_grayons on Friday August 14, 2020 @09:18PM (#24165120)
As kortilla mentioned, while you may have a different experience, the statistics are pretty clear. Also, not all firearms are equal, and while I can't back this part up with stats, my general experience has been that rural folk are much more likely to own more effective firearms: many own a semi-automatic rifles chambered in an intermediate cartridge and some own semi-autos chambered for a full rifle cartridge. Both are a lot more deadly than grandad's pump-action shotgun or a 22 lr plinking rifle, which is closer to what most city folk seem to own. All that aside, most rural people use firearms more often rather than keeping them in closets "just in case" and therefore will be much more effective.
Re:Beta users of Starlink get downloads of 11 to 60 Mbps by medion on Friday August 14, 2020 @05:27PM (#24163493)
I guess it depends on whether you are vulnerable health-wise. If you're fit and healthy and not of retirement age I really can't understand this kind of thinking.
Re:Beta users of Starlink get downloads of 11 to 60 Mbps by thewebcount on Friday August 14, 2020 @04:45PM (#24163030)
Yes, this is so true. My spouse has a rare chronic condition and moving anywhere rural is a non-starter. Even with great doctors in a big city, it's still a struggle getting the care she needs. I can't imagine if we lived somewhere with less than stellar healthcare.
Re:Beta users of Starlink get downloads of 11 to 60 Mbps by fuzxi on Friday August 14, 2020 @06:08PM (#24163888)
I'd argue that there's less need for testing in the first place when your nearest neighbors live a mile away.
Re:Beta users of Starlink get downloads of 11 to 60 Mbps by ekianjo on Friday August 14, 2020 @08:31PM (#24164850)
> I'd rather live in an urban area during a pandemic.

Depends what kind of pandemic. If being in a city increased your exposure and infection rates 10 fold, and the disease is a killer without treatment, it's a lot worse to live in a city.

Re:Beta users of Starlink get downloads of 11 to 60 Mbps by Retric on Friday August 14, 2020 @09:12PM (#24165090)
Rural areas have often had higher rates of covid 19 infections than cities in the area. Look here for some examples: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/coun...

Some of this is simple variance, but rural areas are surprisingly dangerous over time where cities simply show up sooner.

Re:Beta users of Starlink get downloads of 11 to 60 Mbps by ekianjo on Friday August 14, 2020 @09:39PM (#24165196)
> have often had higher rates of covid 19 infections than cities in the area

Several factors at play:

- people thought COVID19 was not a thing outside of cities so people were more careless in rural areas

- wearing of masks is much less in rural areas than cities

- more local communities in rural areas (religious services for example)

But if you NEED to isolate yourself it's much easier to do it in the countryside than in a city.

Re:Beta users of Starlink get downloads of 11 to 60 Mbps by Retric on Friday August 14, 2020 @09:52PM (#24165231)
> But if you NEED to isolate yourself it’s much easier to do in the countryside than in a city.

In practice there are several flaws in that assumption. The lack of grocery deliveries is one major issue with rural isolation. Keep digging and you find several short vs long term issues. Consider, if you need a car you then need to eventually take it in for repairs etc.

Re:Beta users of Starlink get downloads of 11 to 60 Mbps by ekianjo on Saturday August 15, 2020 @02:08AM (#24166416)
In rural areas you have more space to stock food to live completely off the usual distribution networks for a longer time. In cities if you live in a small apartment you are tributary to shopping very often or having deliveries frequently, which increases the chance of contamination.
Re:Beta users of Starlink get downloads of 11 to 60 Mbps by Retric on Saturday August 15, 2020 @06:30AM (#24167800)
You can keep a years supply of food in a small closet. Everyone can’t suddenly buy a years supply of food in a crisis. Which is how this really plays out, if everyone tries to suddenly stock up on supplies that fails. So space is not a limiting factor in a pandemic.

Further, going to work is a larger concern. A higher percentage of people in cities can WFH indefinitely.

Re:Beta users of Starlink get downloads of 11 to 60 Mbps by Marsymars on Saturday August 15, 2020 @02:30PM (#24171112)
> You can keep a years supply of food in a small closet.

Yeah, I worked out the space requirements once, and it's actually feasible to stock a lifetime's worth of Calories in a fairly small apartment.

Re:Beta users of Starlink get downloads of 11 to 60 Mbps by dzhiurgis on Friday August 14, 2020 @06:17PM (#24163963)
Or yacht prices, once it works on them. Right now tho, with not much to go I'd say they should drop. I have a scraper, but analysing data is pain.
Re:Beta users of Starlink get downloads of 11 to 60 Mbps by randomdata on Friday August 14, 2020 @05:01PM (#24163227)
As long as you are willing to be somewhat discriminating, you can find rural areas with great internet service. My farm has a fibre connection and the ISP offers 100/100 service. If you travel a few miles down the road, the ISP there will provide gigabit service.