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Re:We quit our jobs to build a cabin by TimSchumann on Tuesday August 04, 2020 @02:06PM (#24052737)
> It was a junk show and I quickly learned that the best approach was to continue writing software and pay pros to do the job.

I feel personally attacked. Really though, I wonder how many things are on my 'Someday Maybe' list, that really I should just make more money to accomplish and/or find a youtube subscription that satisfies the urge to tinker on a particular topic.

Re:We quit our jobs to build a cabin by LeifCarrotson on Tuesday August 04, 2020 @03:22PM (#24053543)
Beware of falling into the trap of replacing everything on your "Someday maybe" list with Youtube subscriptions. Did that for a while, don't have much to show for 2017. Watching someone make/do cool stuff and put it on the Internet satisfies similar dopamine reward functions as actually doing it yourself, with a lot less effort. Except you didn't actually do it, you watched someone else do it. Same with actually making a "Someday maybe" list, writing down the goal feels like it's something you're accomplishing even though it's not actually started yet.

When you look back on your summer/year, what will you have accomplished? What skills will you have developed?

If you don't really value a process/skill, but just want the material result (i.e. a cabin), pay a pro for it. If you just have an itch that needs to be scratched, watch someone else do it on Youtube. If you want it to be a part of who you are, pruning your list by moving items to the former two strategies should leave you enough time to develop it yourself.

Re:We quit our jobs to build a cabin by foobiekr on Tuesday August 04, 2020 @03:54PM (#24053845)
As someone rapidly approaching "old", this is the exact mode of thinking I now occupy much of the time. It's awful to think of how many summers I've passed working on code or, worse, powerpoints and documents, in a 71F office.

I know quite a few very senior people who are proper old, and when I mentioned this to one of them, his response was, "at this point I'm glad to be alive, and no one glad to be alive has time for that stuff." This was just before he retired.

Re:We quit our jobs to build a cabin by MikeTheGreat on Tuesday August 04, 2020 @02:27PM (#24052997)
> find a youtube subscription that satisfies the urge to tinker on a particular topic.

I think my life got measurably better when I pivoted from "I want to do this myself" towards "It's just as satisfying to watch someone else do this".

Downhill extreme mountain biking is really cool. And fun to watch. And expensive. And requires much more physical fitness than I've got. And dangerous (esp. given my physical fitness :). )

Re:We quit our jobs to build a cabin by sillysaurusx on Tuesday August 04, 2020 @02:37PM (#24053120)
I think my life got measurably better when I pivoted from "I want to do this myself" towards "It's just as satisfying to watch someone else do this".

So true! Works for a lot of things. It's why I stopped playing dota.

Re:We quit our jobs to build a cabin by screye on Tuesday August 04, 2020 @02:54PM (#24053280)
Stopping dota was the single most important decision of my life. It is an incredible game, that consumes an incredible amount of mind-space even when you're not playing it.

Dota - the worst 'awesome thing' that can happen to your life.

Re:We quit our jobs to build a cabin by grogenaut on Tuesday August 04, 2020 @05:45PM (#24054814)
Maybe the reason I was able to get to 775 MMR was because it occupied 0 of my mind-space when I wasn't playing it :)
Re:We quit our jobs to build a cabin by thefounder on Tuesday August 04, 2020 @02:47PM (#24053212)
Ha ha! I bet you spend less time warching than you would spend playing so that is another big win(for me at least).
Re:We quit our jobs to build a cabin by pseudobry on Tuesday August 04, 2020 @04:12PM (#24054017)
Re:We quit our jobs to build a cabin by oblio on Tuesday August 04, 2020 @05:02PM (#24054458)
You just opened Dota Players Anonymous, it seems :-))
Re:We quit our jobs to build a cabin by TimSchumann on Tuesday August 04, 2020 @09:34PM (#24056409)
Ok, now I'm _really_ feeling targeted here.
Re:We quit our jobs to build a cabin by jonpurdy on Tuesday August 04, 2020 @04:29PM (#24054179)
I felt this way about dirt and enduro motorcycling. Went back to regular street riding after a few seasons of enduro. Despite being the slowest guy in the forest, I’d still low-speed crash a couple of times per day and end up replacing small parts on my bike which can really add up. Not to mention the level of physical endurance required to efficiently deal with rocks and bumps and hills. I watch enduro riders on YouTube instead.

It did make me a way better street rider though!

Also glad to have read this article. Was thinking (more like daydreaming) of building a Korean Hanok one day but it seems unrealistic without a lot of professional help.

Re:We quit our jobs to build a cabin by speedgoose on Wednesday August 05, 2020 @01:57AM (#24057673)
It's like watching porn and having sex. Slightly downhill mountain biking is much nicer than watching the extreme stuff.
Re:We quit our jobs to build a cabin by lowdose on Tuesday August 04, 2020 @02:39PM (#24053137)
You underestimate your bodies strength. There are people of 98 years that do a full triathlon, so there is no excuse for you not to able to do that. You can do anything when you put your 10k hours in, but not on the first try.

If mountain biking is your dream buy a Trek with electric motor in it. They can give you extra lift till you accelerate to 75 km/hour with a dongle of $120. Instant pro biking experience without much practicing.

You are too young to accept any physical limitations of your body. Navy Seals talk about that being tired is just an emotion like feeling happy. Its all about your mindset.

Re:We quit our jobs to build a cabin by luhn on Tuesday August 04, 2020 @02:57PM (#24053322)
You really shouldn't be saying "you could do it if you really tried" to people when you don't know their situation. Maybe they have a bad knee. Maybe they have a chronic illness. Maybe they don't have the money to spend. It's not a personal failing to be unable to do something, and it's toxic to take that attitude.
Re:We quit our jobs to build a cabin by thwarted on Tuesday August 04, 2020 @03:09PM (#24053404)
"Don't encourage anyone because they might not be able to do it" is the shittiest and most toxic attitude I've ever heard.
Re:We quit our jobs to build a cabin by luhn on Tuesday August 04, 2020 @03:37PM (#24053679)
Interpreting my comment as "don't encourage anyone" is an extremely uncharitable take. Support their endeavors, celebrate successes, be empathetic of failure. Don't tell them "no excuse for you not to able to do that."
Re:We quit our jobs to build a cabin by thwarted on Tuesday August 04, 2020 @11:05PM (#24056893)
"You could do it if you really tried" is not the same as "no excuse for you not to able to do that".

It's a sad state of affairs if the exchange needs to be "please share your situation with me so I can know if it's appropriate to offer words of encouragement" before offering words of encouragement.

Re:We quit our jobs to build a cabin by lowdose on Friday August 07, 2020 @07:42PM (#24087590)
Thanks. I could only upvote you twice! It's so crazy to limit speech to not excluding any edge case. 95% are capable of doing anything they want and the other 5% will never want to be judged on physical constraints.

Lets take an example of the most brilliant people of our time while also extremely handicapt Steven Hawkins.

What would he care he was excluded in a statement like this?

Re:We quit our jobs to build a cabin by close04 on Tuesday August 04, 2020 @04:22PM (#24054109)
> Navy Seals talk about that being tired is just an emotion like feeling happy. Its all about your mindset.

But it isn't really. Even taking that statement at face value you're still talking about people who are selected for their physical skills and then spend much of their prime training and preparing physically like their lives depended on it. Because it does. But they suck at many other things and they do have an excuse to not be able to do them.

One person cannot "specialize" in too many things and downhill extreme mountain biking is not a thing to do half-assed without risking your well-being. Getting the skill and the physical strength to do it is both time consuming but more importantly very risky.

Re:We quit our jobs to build a cabin by ornornor on Tuesday August 04, 2020 @03:27PM (#24053588)
For those curious about tweaking your ebike, I found this: https://www.electricbiketuning.com/

I doubt you’ll hit 75kph with a 36V Motor though. My 52V mid drive would get me to around 40–50kph on a good day, flat terrain, no wind, and pedaling hard. I put it back to 25kph max because riding so fast on a bicycle was too dangerous in my opinion... cars don’t expect you to come so fast, and I was getting too dangerously confident. I was also worried about the consequences should I get in a crash and the bike is investigated to see whether it was legal.

For those interested in diy, the tsdz2 mid drive is a pretty good motor that has a torque sensor and that you can add to most bicycles. There is also an open source alternative firmware for it that’s pretty good. See https://github.com/OpenSource-EBike-firmware/TSDZ2_wiki/wiki

Re:We quit our jobs to build a cabin by chepaslaaa on Tuesday August 04, 2020 @03:17PM (#24053489)
I agree with the fitness argument, but the safety argument is a legitimate one. I live in a mountain town with a big mountain biking community, almost everyone who pushes themselves in that sport will be dealing with injuries at one point. It can be as benign as a torn ACL or a broken clavicle, but I'm also friends with a guy who broke his pelvis (he completely healed and is a great athlete, I've seen him do a 360 on telemarks last winter) and worked with a guy who's currently in a neckbrace after breaking 2 vertebra. Those last two people are both lucky they didn't die.

You don't need to be a great mountain biker to go dangerously fast, it's very easy to become overconfident, and the downhill nature means that you might also fall from certain heights on top of already carrying speed, and not necessarily on soft dirt, maybe onto rocks or into a tree. It's a gnarly sport.

The commentator you were talking to should at least go on some mellow bike rides or something.

Re:We quit our jobs to build a cabin by dmoy on Tuesday August 04, 2020 @04:26PM (#24054150)
> Navy Seals talk about that being tired is just an emotion like feeling happy.

BUD/S has like a 25% pass rate, of people who are even allowed to try.

Not saying that a navy seal can't just decide to not be tired anymore, but for the rest of us mere mortals....

Re:We quit our jobs to build a cabin by ThinkBeat on Wednesday August 05, 2020 @12:11AM (#24057193)
They also have access to unlimited amounts of pure prescription amphetamine.

It helps.

No critique. When you have to operate under circumstances like that and your life and your fellow soldiers lives are at stake it makes sense.

Has inherent problems though.

https://sofrep.com/news/navy-seals-get-addicted-drugs-doc-is...

Re:We quit our jobs to build a cabin by blaser-waffle on Wednesday August 05, 2020 @09:58AM (#24060781)
> unlimited amounts of pure prescription amphetamine.

... in the field. Same with pilots -- they issue speed to dudes flying bombers long distances.

But they're not taking speed during selection and training. That's just you, and figuring out if you can hack it is the point.

Re:We quit our jobs to build a cabin by atourgates on Tuesday August 04, 2020 @02:55PM (#24053287)
If you have the opportunity (and can find contractors willing to work with you), picking out parts of a project to DIY is a good way to build skills, and save $$s.

We're building a shop. I've contracted most of the build out, but found that I could save $20,000+ by DIY'ing the radiant heat portion myself. Took about a days worth of planning and research, another to lay down the pipe before the floor was poured, and another to hook everything up.

Honestly, the cost-differential was enough to make me think that I should start a company that installs radiant heating. I can't think of many other professions where I could clear $20,000 for 3-days of work.

I'm planning to DIY the solar-install on the same shop here in a couple of months, we'll see if that's as much of success story.

Re:We quit our jobs to build a cabin by a1pulley on Tuesday August 04, 2020 @06:10PM (#24055021)
I recently installed a 6.8 kW system on my house. The final cost was $1.60/watt for "premium" Panasonic panels and Enphase microinverters, which was significantly lower than all the quotes I got. Tesla is now competitive watt for watt, but they achieve their prices with string inverters and/or panels from manufacturers that may not be around for the duration of their warranties.

Another benefit of going solo on my solar project was learning that I could legally install panels on a part of my roof that everyone else thought I couldn't use because of old setback rules. I was able to fit eight additional panels on my roof after discussing the issue with the city inspector.

Most of my prep time was spent writing my permit application. If you want to use mine as a reference or template, file an issue on my github repo for the project [1] and I'll upload it later. I'd also be happy to chat about the gear I chose, where I bought it, and share a list of materials.

[1] https://github.com/hamikm/solar-report (side note: I wrote this to help analyze my surprisingly complex electrical bill because custom date ranges were buggy in the Enphase app at the time)

Re:We quit our jobs to build a cabin by atourgates on Tuesday August 04, 2020 @07:37PM (#24055678)
Thanks! Yes - I've heard the permit application can be a hassle, so I was planning on going with one of the companies that offers solar permitting as a service for a few-hundred $$s. E.g.: http://www.geminisolardesign.com/
Re:We quit our jobs to build a cabin by Spooky23 on Tuesday August 04, 2020 @03:24PM (#24053551)
It’s funny how when you’re young you it’s hard to learn about these types of things.

My wife went to school with a guy who didn’t like college. He took a summer job on a road crew, learned how to use an excavator and got hooked. Dropped out, saved up, and bought a used dump truck, which basically made him.

Started out hauling stuff and then got into water/sewer work and excavation.

He’s up to about 20 trucks a decade later, and pays the bills with the sewer work. He leveraged the assets he had (trucks, diggers) and won demolition contracts — they make money on demolition. Like $75-200k for an emergency demolition if they can get there in 90m.

Re:We quit our jobs to build a cabin by hourislate on Tuesday August 04, 2020 @04:28PM (#24054165)
Have a buddy who got a Finance Degree. Was hired into a large financial/invest firm in a great position and salary. 1 -2 years and couldn't take it, quit to go drywall with his two older brothers.

When he quit his job the parents wept. He was the first kid to go/finish University in the family.

It went from 3 guys hanging board to a 40-50 million construction company in 2 decades.

Re:We quit our jobs to build a cabin by oigursh on Tuesday August 04, 2020 @08:52PM (#24056124)
What's the company?
Re:We quit our jobs to build a cabin by hourislate on Wednesday August 05, 2020 @01:04AM (#24057423)
Small Canadian custom home builder in Ontario.
Re:We quit our jobs to build a cabin by yourapostasy on Friday August 07, 2020 @10:35AM (#24082303)
Sounds similar to Andrew Camarata's path [1]. His intersection with HN is he studied computer science, then decided he wanted to work outdoors instead (he grew up helping his dad and picked up a lot of fabrication and repair skills doing that, and he's really good at troubleshooting so he is probably no slouch at coding, either), so he started a property maintenance business.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/c/AndrewCamarata/about

Re:We quit our jobs to build a cabin by Obi_Juan_Kenobi on Tuesday August 04, 2020 @05:19PM (#24054609)
Being flexible is key.

Some jobs benefit so much from equipment and skill that it won't ever make sense to DIY. Some jobs are just a bunch of labor that you could do, and probably do better because you care to do it right.

DIY solar seems like a ROI for a DIY project. Just stay safe on that roof!

Re:We quit our jobs to build a cabin by atourgates on Tuesday August 04, 2020 @07:40PM (#24055701)
Thanks!

Yeah - I live in a state with essentially zero incentives, so to make Solar pay for itself I have to rely on net-metering plus the 26% federal tax rebate.

If I went with a commercially installed system, I'd be looking at a 15-20 year payback. If I can DIY, I should be looking at a 6-10 year payback.

Re:We quit our jobs to build a cabin by eitally on Tuesday August 04, 2020 @05:22PM (#24054631)
Framing. Once you understand the code and have done it a few times, this is another one where -- assuming you have access to a low cost, reliable labor pool -- you can also clear $20-30k in a weekend [in California].
Re:We quit our jobs to build a cabin by cercatrova on Tuesday August 04, 2020 @07:09PM (#24055498)
Do people really watch YouTube or something and feel like the accomplished whatever is shown in the video? I am asking with full earnestness as I've always viewed such r/ArtisanVideos type videos as pure entertainment.
Re:We quit our jobs to build a cabin by saltcured on Tuesday August 04, 2020 @08:57PM (#24056151)
I think it might be more accurate to say that some people have more trouble distinguishing mild curiosity from "I should do that thing."

And I don't mean that in a demeaning way at all. If anything, such folks have found a middle path in life. At opposite extremes, you have folks who actually have to go do all those things versus those who can squelch their own interest in nearly anything by merely thinking about it for a few moments...

Re:We quit our jobs to build a cabin by bwb on Tuesday August 04, 2020 @02:19PM (#24052894)
I think you are being funny :), but just wanted to chime in and say I think what he is saying is that he didn't enjoy it, so he would rather do something he likes and pay someone to do what he does not :).
Re:We quit our jobs to build a cabin by kyleblarson on Tuesday August 04, 2020 @02:23PM (#24052941)
That's definitely true, but I also realized that the quality of construction would never be close to the level it could be if I used a contractor. I'm a stickler for quality so it would have driven me crazy. I did somewhat enjoy the electrical work and have done some more of that on our house. If I can partially retire any time soon I'd love to apprentice with a master electrician and do some work on my own. There has been a huge building boom in our valley the last couple of years and most of the contractors and trades are booked out to 2022 for big jobs.
Re:We quit our jobs to build a cabin by mtnGoat on Tuesday August 04, 2020 @03:25PM (#24053560)
You might not need to wait that long. I know union electricians in NCW making quite a bit more than most software engineers i know. Some are clearing 6 figures their second year.