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Re:Facebook overrides fact-checks when climate science is “o... by smt88 on Tuesday July 21, 2020 @12:00PM (#23907930)
I think it's fine for Facebook to opt out of fact-checking, as long as they also opt out of algorithmic syndication of content.

If my feed is going to have posts shared by others (even non-friends) or, worse, op-eds in it, then FB is vouching for whatever I see. If they share a link with 50 million people, they're certainly responsible for the consequences.

Worse is the ad side, where Facebook wants to continue to profit from well-funded wars against science while still claiming to be neutral.

If you get paid to broadcast a message and then broadcast it, you are not neutral.

Re:Facebook overrides fact-checks when climate science is “o... by pjc50 on Tuesday July 21, 2020 @12:26PM (#23908207)
Bingo. You can make an argument that your posts are your free speech. But "What Facebook chooses to put on your feed" is Facebook's speech.
Re:Facebook overrides fact-checks when climate science is “o... by phatfish on Tuesday July 21, 2020 @02:58PM (#23909734)
Agree completely.

Of course this is exactly how Facebook want it. To appear as the light touch impartial platform where "everyone is free" to communicate. Except in the background they play with who sees what to increase engagement and run experiments.

With the black-box of algorithms used to target content we can only guess what is really happening. But as every media company knows, controversy sells. So I'll need a lot of proof that generating controversy isn't exactly what Facebook is doing on their platform.

Re:Facebook overrides fact-checks when climate science is “o... by forgotmyhnacc on Tuesday July 21, 2020 @12:40PM (#23908350)
How does this argument apply to Google? When you search something e.g. is climate change real, Google ranks the results algorithmically. If Google doesn't do fact checking, are they liable for false statements?
Re:Facebook overrides fact-checks when climate science is “o... by erichocean on Tuesday July 21, 2020 @06:04PM (#23911474)
> When you search something e.g. is climate change real, Google ranks the results algorithmically.

On hot-button topics, that's simply not true. Google maintains manual rankings for all sorts of things, and especially manually maintains search suggestions so as to not lead people down the "wrong" path.

Re:Facebook overrides fact-checks when climate science is “o... by Nasrudith on Tuesday July 21, 2020 @01:03PM (#23908588)
It applies just as much because it is a fundamentally technically illiterate argument. It already ignores that the whole point of the algorithim is to prioritize. In this case just as much means "none" for both because it is asking for an outright contradiction to - provide prioritization without any bias. Or bias without bias. Nonsensical stupidity. The mobster with a cudgel making vague threats rhetoric is just another form of the stupid and wrong meme of service and platform being mutually excluse.

I personally try to do my part by stomping on this dumb sentiment like a cockroach whenever it pops up.

Re:Facebook overrides fact-checks when climate science is “o... by AlexandrB on Tuesday July 21, 2020 @01:36PM (#23908909)
I disagree. The "algorithm" is fundamentally an optimization problem and companies get to choose what the fitness function for each algorithm is. Facebook chooses "engagement". This is not an accident nor some fundamental property of math. It's a product decision made by a human. One that can be changed.

And there is a fundamental difference between Google's algorithm and Facebook's: control. Google requires user input through search, Facebook decides what shows up when you open the app/site based on an algorithmic feed. In one case the user has some idea that what they're doing is interacting with an algorithm and they can change their search terms if they're not satisfied with the results, in the other the algorithm is in the background making decisions without making itself obvious.

Re:Facebook overrides fact-checks when climate science is “o... by Gigablah on Wednesday July 22, 2020 @01:35AM (#23914225)
There is an implicit search on Facebook though, namely the personal information you’ve entered into your profile and your relationships.
Re:Facebook overrides fact-checks when climate science is “o... by perl4ever on Tuesday July 21, 2020 @10:20PM (#23913301)
You may be misunderstanding. In this case, I think people conceive of an "obvious" baseline to compare to - presenting posts of your friends in a chronological order.

There's no inherent contradiction when people say "this simple, transparent, obvious algorithm is better". Even if implementing it would in fact result in forgoing billions of dollars.

Re:Facebook overrides fact-checks when climate science is “o... by thelightthat on Tuesday July 21, 2020 @01:20PM (#23908762)
well said