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Re:Pavel Durov wants a law to make Apple allow iPhone users ... by alexslobodnik on Wednesday July 15, 2020 @10:57AM (#23846063)
1. Secure

2. Open

3. Customer friendly

Pick two.

Re:Pavel Durov wants a law to make Apple allow iPhone users ... by MattGaiser on Wednesday July 15, 2020 @11:06AM (#23846225)
At least for me as a consumer, Apple’s behaviour is a feature I pay extra for, not a bug.
Re:Pavel Durov wants a law to make Apple allow iPhone users ... by benologist on Wednesday July 15, 2020 @11:39AM (#23846803)
Apple's behavior is superfluous to marketplaces and your security. That's why they can promise security on macOS even though Steam is allowing users to buy and install games outside of the Mac app store. They even allow random unsigned software to be downloaded and installed without thwarting their security.
Re:Pavel Durov wants a law to make Apple allow iPhone users ... by krzyk on Wednesday July 15, 2020 @11:46AM (#23846913)
You pay extra for not being able to install apps outside of Apple Store?

Or more specifically, you pay extra so others couldn't do it on their phones (because you as I understand wouldn't, but you don't want others to be able to)?

Re:Pavel Durov wants a law to make Apple allow iPhone users ... by bitcurious on Wednesday July 15, 2020 @11:51AM (#23846998)
I’m having a hard time phrasing this, but I also fall in the camp that views it as positive.

The gist is this: there is no app maker that can say “screw that” to Apple’s privacy/security rules and bypass them. As such I will never be in a position to choose between my privacy and using the app. By Apple’s removing the possibility of that choice, I get both.

Re:Pavel Durov wants a law to make Apple allow iPhone users ... by lenkite on Friday July 17, 2020 @03:16PM (#23874322)
Thats fine. They can have a locked-down by default setting that you can pay extra for. The rest of us would like an open store.
Re:Pavel Durov wants a law to make Apple allow iPhone users ... by JTbane on Wednesday July 15, 2020 @11:31AM (#23846682)
There have been numerous examples of apps in the App Store that have malicious behavior.

So, with Apple, pick none I guess?

Re:Pavel Durov wants a law to make Apple allow iPhone users ... by strictnein on Wednesday July 15, 2020 @11:45AM (#23846887)
Arguing that the safety of the Apple App store is equivalent to that of the Google Play Store, or any of the other Android markets (which are far worse), is pretty nonsensical.
Re:Pavel Durov wants a law to make Apple allow iPhone users ... by jolux on Wednesday July 15, 2020 @11:50AM (#23846984)
Numerous suggests you can still count them, which is an incalculable win against any other platform.
Re:Pavel Durov wants a law to make Apple allow iPhone users ... by floatboth on Wednesday July 15, 2020 @02:28PM (#23849508)
Chromebooks are a great example of secure + customer friendly by default, with an option to go into very open mode.

(activate developer mode by proving physical control — in the past it was a screw, now it's sitting through a few minutes of pressing the power button when asked; from dev mode you can go further and flash custom CPU and EC firmware)

Re:Pavel Durov wants a law to make Apple allow iPhone users ... by stunt on Wednesday July 15, 2020 @11:49AM (#23846969)
The market is big enough that you will see good quality competitors. Just think how the PC market would look like if it was closed to Microsoft.
Re:Pavel Durov wants a law to make Apple allow iPhone users ... by ainar-g on Wednesday July 15, 2020 @11:47AM (#23846931)
Many times on the Internet I've read, that you can't really get security without openness. Both in software and in organisations.