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Re:Starlink WiFi Router FCC Approved by paulmd on Tuesday July 14, 2020 @07:25PM (#23839345)
if you're implying that people in the developing world live without internet access, you'd be dead wrong. Cell service is ubiquitous and data is cheap. Those people are probably better-connected than rural Americans (not suburban, but truly rural, the people living out in the sticks).

American data connectivity is just that bad. It's worse than eastern europe. Worse than Asia. Worse than Africa.

Re:Starlink WiFi Router FCC Approved by reaperducer on Tuesday July 14, 2020 @07:39PM (#23839451)
if you're implying that people in the developing world live without internet access, you'd be dead wrong

I imply no such thing. You're projecting your own biases.

I'm merely stating a fact: That not everyone uses Netflix and YouTube, and to consider those life essentials is absurd.

Re:Starlink WiFi Router FCC Approved by deeviant on Tuesday July 14, 2020 @08:13PM (#23839723)
I think saying something that is not essential to you cannot be essential to somebody else is absurd.
Re:Starlink WiFi Router FCC Approved by ajhurliman on Tuesday July 14, 2020 @07:58PM (#23839615)
I've used YouTube to learn a tremendous amount from programming to home improvement and beyond. I wouldn't consider it essential to my life, but I would certainly be worse off if I didn't have it.
Re:Starlink WiFi Router FCC Approved by causality0 on Wednesday July 15, 2020 @02:00AM (#23841844)
Firstly, I didn't call them life essentials; I invited the typically nerdy and internet-focused HN audience to imagine life without two services which comprise over 25% of global bandwidth usage in order to remind them of the massive accessibility gaps which still exist even in wealthy countries. Secondly, why does something have to be completely universal to be considered a life essential?

Also, you tweet about streaming shows on FoodNetwork Go, so why do you act like that's any different from Netflix and Youtube?

Re:Starlink WiFi Router FCC Approved by Dylan16807 on Tuesday July 14, 2020 @11:42PM (#23841046)
Did you forget the part where you said "several billion other people"?

If you're not talking about the developing world, and just look at the rural and those who don't want a connection, that's not nearly enough people. So it's not wrong at all for people to assume you meant the developing world.

And nobody said they were 'life essentials'.

Re:Starlink WiFi Router FCC Approved by culturestate on Wednesday July 15, 2020 @02:48AM (#23842084)
To be fair to the other person, China alone (in which neither Netflix nor YouTube are widely available) is almost 1.4 billion people. That could easily be part of their calculus, though I guess you could argue over the meaning of “several” in this context.
Re:Starlink WiFi Router FCC Approved by Dylan16807 on Wednesday July 15, 2020 @03:37AM (#23842335)
I see that as pedantry. We're talking about internet speeds, and the equivalent of youtube.
Re:Starlink WiFi Router FCC Approved by culturestate on Wednesday July 15, 2020 @03:49AM (#23842411)
> We're talking about...the equivalent of youtube.

Well, you certainly are, but I don't think the person who originally brought it up was.

Re:Starlink WiFi Router FCC Approved by rootsudo on Wednesday July 15, 2020 @06:35AM (#23843384)
I would say in many developing world regions, Facebook is the internet.
Re:Starlink WiFi Router FCC Approved by ajhurliman on Wednesday July 15, 2020 @12:37PM (#23847709)
This. When I travelled to Vietnam I was shocked to find out access to Facebook was free (unlike the data plans, which seemed expensive to me and therefore likely out of reach for most of the folks there.

It was really nice to be able to communicate with my travel buddies reliably, but this is definitely the tiered internet people are afraid of.

Re:Starlink WiFi Router FCC Approved by joshvm on Tuesday July 14, 2020 @08:57PM (#23840026)
This is partially true. Connectivity is better than most people imagine, even in places like Madagascar (was something like the fifth poorest country recently?). We had 4G in the middle of nowhere and yes, it's cheap for Westerners.

However just because 3/4G exists doesn't mean people can afford it. In Madagascar for example, the minimum topup is 100 ARY or about 3 cents. Most people can't afford significant amounts of data, especially not when an autoplay video can bankrupt you.

That's the big problem with the argument that starlink is helping developing countries. These countries would be much better off with better rural cellular coverage first, not expensive satellite networking. Unless spacex will subsidise developing nations, who's paying for it?

Re:Starlink WiFi Router FCC Approved by agildehaus on Tuesday July 14, 2020 @09:22PM (#23840177)
Starlink makes improving rural cellular coverage much easier. Just need a tower, electricity, and a Starlink transceiver.
Re:Starlink WiFi Router FCC Approved by cptskippy on Tuesday July 14, 2020 @07:39PM (#23839448)
You'd also be surprised by what's considered rural. Vermont is the most rural state and it's right next to Massachusetts which is one of the least rural.
Re:Starlink WiFi Router FCC Approved by driverdan on Tuesday July 14, 2020 @08:14PM (#23839736)
How is VT the most rural state? Both Wyoming and Alaska have a significantly lower population density.
Re:Starlink WiFi Router FCC Approved by cptskippy on Wednesday July 15, 2020 @09:37AM (#23845015)
Rural isn't a simple calculation of area divided by population. It's based on the density of the population. People are not evenly distributed over Alaska or Wyoming, the majority live in urban settings around cities with the majority of the land in those states being uninhabited.

60% or more of the population in Alaska and Wyoming live in an urban setting. In Texas it's over 80% and in California it's over 90%.

Re:Starlink WiFi Router FCC Approved by Ericson2314 on Tuesday July 14, 2020 @07:55PM (#23839588)
Vermont is the state with the most even distribution of people also?
Re:Starlink WiFi Router FCC Approved by cptskippy on Wednesday July 15, 2020 @09:48AM (#23845159)
I have no idea.

New Jersey's population is 99% urban, does that mean they all chose to live in an urban setting or that the State is so crammed full of people that there's no place to live in isolation?

Looking at a map of New Jersey, it looks like if you managed to setup camp in the middle of a state park you might manage to be 5 miles from the nearest town.

Re:Starlink WiFi Router FCC Approved by DudeInBasement on Tuesday July 14, 2020 @09:37PM (#23840251)
Vermont is also filled with trolls