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Re:The largest unknown Bitcoin wallet moved nearly $1B for $... by cletus on Tuesday June 30, 2020 @10:35AM (#23690441)
Nor can you reverse a transaction when someone steals your Bitcoins. The traditional financial system is far more suitable to people’s needs than Bitcoin is.
Re:The largest unknown Bitcoin wallet moved nearly $1B for $... by fossuser on Tuesday June 30, 2020 @11:14AM (#23690888)
The most interesting bitcoin story I read somewhere was about a Ukrainian living in the Russian controlled portion of the country getting out with his wealth intact.

The border was controlled by corrupt Russian guards that would steal things of value. You could pass the border occasionally to visit family on the other side, but it was risky to take anything.

He put all his wealth into bitcoin, memorized his wallet seed words like his life depended on it, crossed the border with nothing, and then regenerated his wallet on the other side.

I thought that was pretty cool.

Re:The largest unknown Bitcoin wallet moved nearly $1B for $... by andrewzah on Tuesday June 30, 2020 @11:20AM (#23690944)
That's one use for btc that I hadn't thought of. Neat! However one still has to be careful to somehow fund a cold wallet without linking your ID via the transactions.

I.e. to use an exchange like binance or coinbase, I have to link my US ID. So if a government actor were after me, they could easily find out about my cold wallet by viewing my transactions, no?. I guess I could -not- divulge the seed words, but that's assuming I'm not being accosted/tortured either.

I would have to use a btc atm (none near me...), swap a visa gift card for btc (and take a ~10-20% haircut...) or find someone to trade cash for coins, which is its own issue.

Re:The largest unknown Bitcoin wallet moved nearly $1B for $... by sukilot on Tuesday June 30, 2020 @12:40PM (#23691912)
Government/warlord-avoiding money transfer like this is the core use case for Bitcoin outside of speculating on its future value. It's not for casual shopping transactions.
Re:The largest unknown Bitcoin wallet moved nearly $1B for $... by parliament32 on Tuesday June 30, 2020 @12:18PM (#23691645)
localbitcoins. It's like craigslist: you find people you meet up with, give them cash, they transfer you the BTC (through escrow). No KYC, no shenanigans, you just need to be willing to pay their few-percentage-point fees.
Re:The largest unknown Bitcoin wallet moved nearly $1B for $... by justaj on Tuesday June 30, 2020 @04:05PM (#23694205)
Correction: Localbitcoins does require KYC.
Re:The largest unknown Bitcoin wallet moved nearly $1B for $... by parliament32 on Tuesday June 30, 2020 @04:57PM (#23694688)
You're right, they do, once you're over 1000€ per year: https://localbitcoins.com/blog/id-verification-update/
Re:The largest unknown Bitcoin wallet moved nearly $1B for $... by ryanlol on Thursday July 02, 2020 @03:52AM (#23710929)
Incorrect, localbitcoins only requires KYC for their escrow feature. Most people do not use the useless escrow feature.
Re:The largest unknown Bitcoin wallet moved nearly $1B for $... by lawn on Tuesday June 30, 2020 @11:24AM (#23690973)
I've read similar stories of people escaping Venezuela with their wealth.
Re:The largest unknown Bitcoin wallet moved nearly $1B for $... by whatsmyusername on Tuesday June 30, 2020 @02:36PM (#23693237)
To me that's the main use for bitcoin. Moving money if you're worried about it getting ripped off in transit, not as a permanent store of wealth.
Re:The largest unknown Bitcoin wallet moved nearly $1B for $... by gruez on Tuesday June 30, 2020 @10:45AM (#23690537)
>Nor can you reverse a transaction when someone steals your Bitcoins.

You're not always able to do that with the traditional banking system. Scammers were able to steal millions from corporations using wire transfers, and they weren't able to reverse them.

Re:The largest unknown Bitcoin wallet moved nearly $1B for $... by parliament32 on Tuesday June 30, 2020 @12:20PM (#23691667)
Exactly, you can't officially reverse wires. You can ask your bank nicely, and they can ask the receiving bank nicely, and if the money's still there, it may or may not be transferred back. But there is no official mechanism for reversing wires, and if the other side withdraws/spends the money before you start the process you're SOL.
Re:The largest unknown Bitcoin wallet moved nearly $1B for $... by cletus on Tuesday June 30, 2020 @10:52AM (#23690622)
Some is still better than none, no?
Re:The largest unknown Bitcoin wallet moved nearly $1B for $... by gruez on Tuesday June 30, 2020 @10:57AM (#23690689)
But reversibility is provided by the intermediary, and isn't a property of the currency itself. For instance, if you're dealing in cash, there's zero reversibility. Likewise, I don't see the difference between a bank reversing a transaction for you, and the marketplace platform reversing the transaction for you.
Re:The largest unknown Bitcoin wallet moved nearly $1B for $... by erfgh on Tuesday June 30, 2020 @10:56AM (#23690676)
But at least there is hope.
Re:The largest unknown Bitcoin wallet moved nearly $1B for $... by cortesoft on Tuesday June 30, 2020 @12:02PM (#23691441)
Yep... and the more money you have, the more the traditional financial system caters to you.

If you have a billion dollars, you have very little incentive to work outside the system. The system will work for you.

Re:The largest unknown Bitcoin wallet moved nearly $1B for $... by alexpotato on Tuesday June 30, 2020 @10:53AM (#23690643)
Libertarians would argue that this is where insurance comes in.

Insurance in this example has two functions:

1. Protecting you from losses

2. Applying standards to Bitcoin exchanges etc to help prevent losses. A good example of this is fire insurance. An insurance company will require a potential customer to have fire alarms, use specific materials etc before they decide to cover that company's building.

Re:The largest unknown Bitcoin wallet moved nearly $1B for $... by erfgh on Tuesday June 30, 2020 @10:55AM (#23690667)
Insurance on BTC... I wonder how much would that cost... It would dwarf any transfer fees for sure.
Re:The largest unknown Bitcoin wallet moved nearly $1B for $... by londons_explore on Tuesday June 30, 2020 @12:19PM (#23691663)
"You must keep at least one part of a multi-signature key with us for the insurance to be valid".

Then the insurance is really cheap... Either the insurance companies systems stay secure and there are no losses, or the insurance company is breached, and they claim bankruptcy...