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Re:Adobe to remove Flash Player from web site after December... by bsder on Monday June 15, 2020 @05:41PM (#23533331)
> 1/ Its IDE which made creating creative and interactive content mixing video/vector graphics sounds and code easier

Why is it that with all our computer power, we somehow can't create authoring tools as good as we had in the past?

HyperCard, DreamWeaver, Visual Basic 6, etc. all seem to be dramatically better for common people (read: not career programmers) than any modern equivalent we have.

Re:Adobe to remove Flash Player from web site after December... by tumultco on Monday June 15, 2020 @07:09PM (#23534145)
I'd say the difference in HyperCard and Visual Basic is that they also define their runtime environment. The IDE can grow with the runtime. Writing tooling against a vast runtime like the web is much more difficult and daunting.

A 1.0 would need to address a large enough surface area of the web to be useful. There's also a discordance between hand-coding "friendly" HTML/CSS and what would be exposed in a WYSIWYG tool. Further complications are all the new and old bugs in browsers.

That said, every day I was working on Hype 1.0 in early 2011, I would nervously check Hacker News for a "Show HN" post for a HTML5 animation app that would steal the thunder; luckily none came. This is even more surprising given Hype exports were mostly compatible with Internet Explorer 6 -- such an app could have been written long ago.

Re:Adobe to remove Flash Player from web site after December... by SXX on Monday June 15, 2020 @06:28PM (#23533822)
Your common people back then were far more computer-literate than most of career programmers today. Requirements for the entry into profession is so much lower from any point of view: time, difficulty and cost.

Another side is that programming and web is no longer novelty so common people prefer to just pay for someone else for their time rather than learn anything on their own.

Most people prefer to pay their auto mechanic, plumber or electrician even though most of people are capable of fixing many of their problems just by following simple tutorial and common sense. Programming is no different here: it's just easier or more time efficient to pay to someone else.

Re:Adobe to remove Flash Player from web site after December... by bsder on Monday June 15, 2020 @06:49PM (#23533975)
> Your common people back then were far more computer-literate than most of career programmers today.

I absolutely don't buy this.

My father, a high school English teacher, could barely run a spreadsheet that I set up for his grades--something that basically everyone can do today without blinking.

And even he could use Hypercard.

It's the tools, not the people.

Re:Adobe to remove Flash Player from web site after December... by y2kenny on Tuesday June 16, 2020 @12:33PM (#23541090)
I second this. Flash, HyperCard, Dreamweaver, VisualBasic 6 are all the tools I (along with my classmates) played with during high school before any official cs/engineering training.
Re:Adobe to remove Flash Player from web site after December... by TylerE on Monday June 15, 2020 @07:58PM (#23534467)
Plus life is so much easier when you don’t have to worry about i18n, encryption of any kind, HiDPI displays, Unicode of any sort, really any of dozens of things that modern users expect to just work.
Re:Adobe to remove Flash Player from web site after December... by anthk on Tuesday June 16, 2020 @12:13AM (#23535887)
Sometimes you had. Timezones, encryption for sensitive places, zillions of European standards (one PER language), and so on.
Re:Adobe to remove Flash Player from web site after December... by int_19h on Tuesday June 16, 2020 @01:23PM (#23541653)
VB6 had Unicode throughout, and even some HiDPI stuff (e.g. all widgets were measured in "twips", a DPI-independent unit).
Re:Adobe to remove Flash Player from web site after December... by pjmlp on Tuesday June 16, 2020 @02:46AM (#23536547)
Because that kind of tooling doesn't go along with UNIX FOSS CLI culture, so only the ones comfortable in the graphical eco-systems of the like of Apple, Google, Microsoft, Adobe, Qt masters and friends, get to enjoy them.

Likewise I rather spend my time in Unreal and Unity, than trying to feel superior while doing everything from scratch with SDL.

Re:Adobe to remove Flash Player from web site after December... by aa66tt55rr44 on Monday June 15, 2020 @10:02PM (#23535233)
Developers decided that catering to text editor users was the only way forward, which killed most prospects of good authoring tools.