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Re:Woman makes $420k by buying insurance on flights she pred... by yodon on Monday June 15, 2020 @11:05AM (#23528040)
This kind of thing goes way back and used to be much easier.

Over-booking of flights used to be a huge problem back in the 90's and earlier. You'd get on the plane, someone would be in your seat already, and that's when you found out you didn't get to fly on that flight.

Airlines figured out this pissed people off and started counting tickets before letting people onto flights. If they had too many people waiting to board a flight, they would make an announcement and start offering free stuff to people willing to be bumped or take a later flight (this still happens in rare circumstances today but used to happen on most flights for a few years).

I remember listening to a gate agent threatening to call the cops on a college age guy who was picking up his third free ticket of the week for accepting being bumped off an Oakland to Las Vegas flight. He'd apparently figured out that that flight was always overbooked (which wouldn't have taken a rocket scientist given the high rate of overbooking at the time), and the only reason he got caught was the same agent kept getting assigned to work the counter for that flight often enough to remember his face.

Interestingly, I also flew on a nearly empty flight once during that era. The pilot came on the loud speakers and said "the next time you are wondering why flights are over booked, remember this flight - this plane was booked to 120% capacity (or some other number well over 100%) for this trip."

Re:Woman makes $420k by buying insurance on flights she pred... by jedberg on Monday June 15, 2020 @05:34PM (#23533245)
> and the only reason he got caught

Got caught doing what exactly? Booking tickets on a flight?

If he wasn't using fake names or anything, it sounds like he was just trading his time for free airfare.

Re:Woman makes $420k by buying insurance on flights she pred... by swinglock on Tuesday June 16, 2020 @02:13AM (#23536388)
He also saved one person that actually needed to be on the flight from being kicked out. Maybe the agents ego didn't like that.
Re:Woman makes $420k by buying insurance on flights she pred... by thehappypm on Monday June 15, 2020 @02:18PM (#23530959)
For a flight to have gone from 120% to nearly empty would mean that some large group didn't show up. Maybe an entire tour bus was delayed by a flat tire or something. Statistically speaking, a hundred people simultaneously missing their flight is vanishingly unlikely.
Re:Woman makes $420k by buying insurance on flights she pred... by Plough_Jogger on Monday June 15, 2020 @04:37PM (#23532670)
Many corporate travelers can book and re-book with no change fees, so this happens more than you would expect.

The most common reason I've seen is a large corporation cancelling or rescheduling an all-hands / quarterly meeting that everyone above a certain level (e.g. directors / VPs) from non-HQ offices travels to HQ to attend.

For an Oakland to Las Vegas flight, I'd guess a conference, music festival, or sporting event was cancelled.

Re:Woman makes $420k by buying insurance on flights she pred... by nightcracker on Monday June 15, 2020 @04:53PM (#23532844)
> Statistically speaking

Statistics generally (there are exceptions of course) makes very broad assumptions about independence and random selection of your samples.

For a group of people as correlated as having the same destination at exactly the same time using the same airplane I would be very wary of applying any statistics at all, even ignoring the possibility of a large group.

Hundreds of otherwise independent people can decide to not show up simultaneously due to terrorist attacks, corona, a cheaper alternative, a conference being cancelled, etc.

Re:Woman makes $420k by buying insurance on flights she pred... by thehappypm on Monday June 15, 2020 @07:48PM (#23534400)
I think you are restating my point.
Re:Woman makes $420k by buying insurance on flights she pred... by kebman on Wednesday June 17, 2020 @07:10AM (#23550063)
Bayesian statistics might show a more interesting answer, though.
Re:Woman makes $420k by buying insurance on flights she pred... by Traster on Monday June 15, 2020 @06:45PM (#23533948)
Sorry this isn't a direct reply to your story, but I'm interested if anyone knows, does overbooking happen regularly in Europe? Becuase I'm in the UK and I've literally never heard of anyone getting bumped from a flight. I'm sure it happens occasionally, but is there just a massive divide between the US and EU here? Is there a systemic issue with regulation, is it just consumer attitude, or is the EU actually the same as the US?
Re:Woman makes $420k by buying insurance on flights she pred... by ProZsolt on Monday June 15, 2020 @07:29PM (#23534284)
Yes, it's common. It happened to me once and some of my colleagues as well.

I think they don't overbook as much as in the US. They try to avoid bumping off passengers, because the cost of doing it is much higher. They can't just give you an upgrade ticket. They have to reimburse all occurring cost and they have to pay an additional 250-600 EUR compensation depending on the length of the flight.[1]

[1]: https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/travel/passenger-right...

Re:Woman makes $420k by buying insurance on flights she pred... by vinay427 on Tuesday June 16, 2020 @10:21AM (#23539432)
There is a possibly looser regulation on this in the US as well: https://www.transportation.gov/individuals/aviation-consumer...

I've seen airlines offering compensation worth well more than these minimums, however. Anecdotally it seems fairly common to get hundreds of dollars for a relatively short domestic flight.

Re:Woman makes $420k by buying insurance on flights she pred... by Seaphyre on Wednesday June 17, 2020 @06:01AM (#23549674)
It's incredibly common in Europe as well, yes, but usually the numbers just about work out with some no-shows and reshuffling people across classes.

Also, the ones they do bump off are the standbys and reduced fare, which is why you don't often hear about fully paying passengers being forced to take another flight - and in any case, if they're still over capacity, the promises of free upgrades and money mostly result in enough volunteers to prevent that from happening.

I'm not sure about any differences in US regulations vs EU regulations for this issue though.

Re:Woman makes $420k by buying insurance on flights she pred... by fnordfnordfnord on Monday June 15, 2020 @09:40PM (#23535102)
I was offered hotel, rebooking, and spending money to give up my seat on a flight from Schipol to NYC once; it was about 15 years ago though.
Re:Woman makes $420k by buying insurance on flights she pred... by CloudNetworking on Monday June 15, 2020 @07:02PM (#23534083)
I've seen it twice with EasyJet (BCN - LGW)
Re:Woman makes $420k by buying insurance on flights she pred... by BlewisJS on Monday June 15, 2020 @07:27PM (#23534270)
What could they possibly call the cops about? "This man keeps accepting our offers"?
Re:Woman makes $420k by buying insurance on flights she pred... by SllX on Tuesday June 16, 2020 @04:16AM (#23536960)
You can call the cops about anything on anyone. That doesn’t mean they’ll make an arrest.
Re:Woman makes $420k by buying insurance on flights she pred... by dheera on Monday June 15, 2020 @06:15PM (#23533705)
> I remember listening to a gate agent threatening to call the cops on a college age guy who was picking up his third free ticket of the week for accepting being bumped off

I hope the cops did nothing?

It was the airline's fault for overbooking and they offered bump compensation and the guy took it. It sounds legal to me. If the airline wanted to avoid this they could easily have done that by not overbooking.

Re:Woman makes $420k by buying insurance on flights she pred... by driverdan on Monday June 15, 2020 @06:04PM (#23533590)
Overbooking never went away, it's still a problem. In the US there are laws they have to follow for bumping compensation now.
Re:Woman makes $420k by buying insurance on flights she pred... by Gibbon1 on Tuesday June 16, 2020 @02:40AM (#23536520)
I caught an airline bumping the whole flight I was on once. They told US that there were mechanical issues. Then herded everyone to another terminal. 10 minutes later they lead another large group onto the plane and it took off.