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Re:Every year I fill out this survey from Apple, for Apple d... by sixothree on Friday June 12, 2020 @06:54PM (#23504715)
I'm sick of this. I'm so, so sick of this. I swear every time this happens, I think "oh, there is no app by that name" and then I have to double check make sure I really used the right search term and that the result is actually a first party app.

If I were searching for a genre such as "podcast" or "camera" app, I understand seeing paid ads. But when I search for a specific name, I see absolutely no reason whatsoever there should be an ad above my results.

There has to be a better way.

Re:Every year I fill out this survey from Apple, for Apple d... by californical on Friday June 12, 2020 @07:02PM (#23504778)
Although this gets tricky -- will everyone just start naming their app "Podcast player" and "Podcast 1" so that their app name is optimized to match a search term exactly? Maybe this already happens, but I can see it being hard to distinguish if the person is looking up a specific app called "podcast player" or a generic term
Re:Every year I fill out this survey from Apple, for Apple d... by leonidasv on Friday June 12, 2020 @07:29PM (#23504978)
You're assuming that just looking for the title is everything a search engine does when it's not.

It's easy to create and train a model to distinguish between brands and generic words by counting how many times a single word appears over app descriptions, for example - there are countless ways to do this. This, in turn, can neutralize the effect of naming your app after a generic word when it comes to search ranking.

Re:Every year I fill out this survey from Apple, for Apple d... by im3w1l on Saturday June 13, 2020 @12:19AM (#23506707)
How do you know it's not competitors putting the product in their descriptions enough times that it will count as generic so they can rank above? I mean you can solve that too I'm sure, but it starts becoming more complicated than sixothree originally suggested.
Re:Every year I fill out this survey from Apple, for Apple d... by lostlogin on Friday June 12, 2020 @08:35PM (#23505486)
> will everyone just start naming their app "Podcast player" and "Podcast 1"

This would be quite funny. I still see businesses called things like AAA automotive and similar which date back to optimising their telephone book listing order. Was this early SEO?

Re:Every year I fill out this survey from Apple, for Apple d... by EdwardDiego on Friday June 12, 2020 @09:12PM (#23505729)
Yeah, there's a lot of motels from the 70s in my city that start with the letter A, but the Aalton Motel presumably won that arms race.
Re:Every year I fill out this survey from Apple, for Apple d... by Dylan16807 on Saturday June 13, 2020 @03:17AM (#23507528)
Someone could manually set some keywords too.

But if there's too much uncertainty then just don't do ads at all. The fallback shouldn't be ads for all search terms.

Your post seems like a rebuttal to the idea of "just show the app they wanted", but that wasn't the request. The request was just to leave the search alone.

Re:Every year I fill out this survey from Apple, for Apple d... by duskwuff on Friday June 12, 2020 @09:59PM (#23506041)
Apple has control over that, though! They could easily reject applications with overly generic names if that were a concern.
Re:Every year I fill out this survey from Apple, for Apple d... by asiachick on Saturday June 13, 2020 @03:50AM (#23507685)
They already do don't they. Only Apple gets "Maps", "Mail", "Messages", etc...
Re:Every year I fill out this survey from Apple, for Apple d... by makecheck on Friday June 12, 2020 @10:31PM (#23506216)
Among my feedback was a request to restore real search filters.

If one can click an “exact app name” box or similar, the results should always be as intended.

Of course I asked for more (like “no apps with more than $5 in-app purchases”).

Re:Every year I fill out this survey from Apple, for Apple d... by xnyan on Saturday June 13, 2020 @12:33PM (#23510619)
That gives up control and they have no competitors in this market (iOS app stores), can’t see that happening without anti-trust.
Re:Every year I fill out this survey from Apple, for Apple d... by conductr on Saturday June 13, 2020 @01:01AM (#23506918)
I think they're trying to get $appname to bid high to ensure they're listed first instead of a competitor. Google Ads does this too on the search engine. I often query and see $companyname advertising for their name even when they are a large brand that is dominating the #1 spot. Problem with App Store adds is, apps don't typically have the ad budget and probably don't lose out too much if they do have name recognition. It really boils down to poor UX.
Re:Every year I fill out this survey from Apple, for Apple d... by glandium on Saturday June 13, 2020 @10:38PM (#23514669)
Like when you search Firefox and see an ad for Brave? (not hypothetical, seen it on the Play Store)
Re:Every year I fill out this survey from Apple, for Apple d... by thunderrabbit on Friday June 12, 2020 @09:35PM (#23505876)
Especially when names are globally unique!