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Re:74% of Startups Have Trimmed Staff, 65% Have Less Than 6 ... by caseysoftware on Saturday May 02, 2020 @01:44AM (#23049586)
"Startups are laying people off!"

Examples: Publicly traded companies Uber and Lyft.

Sorry, they're not startups.

And yes, most will have less than 6 months in the bank. Most rounds of funding are planned to last 18-24 months. If they raised at the tail end of 2019, they're already 4+ months into that.

More likely, the bulk of the 65% are companies who raised late 2018 through mid 2019. They're in the middle of figuring out their new round and who will/won't be involved. The good news is that the VC funds have to put their money somewhere so investment can't stop. LPs don't invest for good luck. The bad news is that VCs are likely going to slow down for a quarter or two and valuations will grow more slowly than before.

Companies that have good metrics may be in good shape as VCs become more available and their pipeline dries up. Companies with mediocre to bad metrics may be gone by the end of the year.

Re:74% of Startups Have Trimmed Staff, 65% Have Less Than 6 ... by kevindong on Saturday May 02, 2020 @02:38AM (#23049835)
> "Startups are laying people off!"

> Examples: Publicly traded companies Uber and Lyft.

> Sorry, they're not startups.

As an aside, I don't like how the tech industry/news sites call any non-behemoth tech company a "startup".

For example, these companies are not startups; they are large (and in some cases, deeply unprofitable) enterprises: SpaceX, Stripe, Airbnb, JUUL, Palantir, Epic Games, Wish, Coinbase, Robinhood, Instacart, DoorDash, WeWork, etc. [0]

Furthermore, 89% of American businesses have fewer than 20 employees [1].

[0]: These are the largest US-based "unicorn startups" per Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unicorn_startup_compan...

[1]: https://www2.census.gov/programs-surveys/susb/tables/2016/us...

Re:74% of Startups Have Trimmed Staff, 65% Have Less Than 6 ... by seisvelas on Saturday May 02, 2020 @03:12AM (#23049977)
Startup has been consumed by its use as a marketing buzzword and as far as I can tell just means 'company' at this point. People just say they 'founded a startup' instead of 'started a company'.

I suspect most air conditioning contractors and electricians would be called 'startups' if they worked in software.

Re:74% of Startups Have Trimmed Staff, 65% Have Less Than 6 ... by elgenie on Saturday May 02, 2020 @03:25AM (#23050052)
“Founded a startup” is absolutely but trivially correct because every company is a startup by any definition in the immediate aftermath of its founding. The question is just about what criteria make sense for declaring that a company has graduated from a startup to an established company.

Criteria like “founded in the last Y years”, “has fewer than N employees”, “has market cap under $X”, “is in a fresh/hot industry” alone or in combination end up including dramatically different sets of companies.

Re:74% of Startups Have Trimmed Staff, 65% Have Less Than 6 ... by lolcopterpilot on Saturday May 02, 2020 @04:48AM (#23050392)
I don't agree. Startup has a fairly specific task or operating style that is irrelevant to its size and age and number of employees. A startup is a company that is experimenting with ideas and its main goal is to validate a business model. If those business models can't be validated in a certain amount of time, the company should shut down. If a business model is validated it needs to be implemented and the company is no longer a startup.

You can be a 0-day 1-person company but if you have a business model and an operating structure, you're not a startup. Most companies are started on a specific business idea and planned to run for long term on that idea. Those are not startups.

Re:74% of Startups Have Trimmed Staff, 65% Have Less Than 6 ... by majewsky on Saturday May 02, 2020 @11:05AM (#23052155)
Where do you draw the line for "validating a business model"?

Uber was founded 11 years ago. How long do you need to validate the business model of a taxi app?

AirBNB was founded nearly 12 years ago. How long until they're done validating the business model of letting people rent apartments over a website?

Re:74% of Startups Have Trimmed Staff, 65% Have Less Than 6 ... by stevehawk on Saturday May 02, 2020 @11:48AM (#23052399)
I feel like a business model is validated when it becomes profitable, which it's why many of us don't validate the Uber/Lyft business model yet.
Re:74% of Startups Have Trimmed Staff, 65% Have Less Than 6 ... by majewsky on Saturday May 02, 2020 @02:39PM (#23053902)
Okay, so it's partially computable. But non-viability can never be proven?
Re:74% of Startups Have Trimmed Staff, 65% Have Less Than 6 ... by trophycase on Saturday May 02, 2020 @03:28AM (#23050061)
Startup implies tech and/or "nontraditional" business and also tends to imply VC money. A restaurant isn't a "startup" because it's a restaurant, a hardware store is a hardware store. But what is a VC backed meal kit company: a startup. There's no actual word for it so startup is the catchall term
Re:74% of Startups Have Trimmed Staff, 65% Have Less Than 6 ... by brutus1213 on Saturday May 02, 2020 @03:55AM (#23050176)
Extremely insightful comment! I've been in the industry for a while and this is an excellent definition. It pertains to whether or not a business model is well-established or not.
Re:74% of Startups Have Trimmed Staff, 65% Have Less Than 6 ... by TheSpiceIsLife on Saturday May 02, 2020 @07:55AM (#23051216)
> what is a VC backed meal kit company

How about a meal kit company?

Words mean what people who use them intend them to mean, so we end up with things like this:

noun

a new business venture, or a new commercial or industrial project.

adjective

of or relating to the beginning of such a venture or project, especially to an investment made to initiate it

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/startup

NB: dictionaries are not authoritative sources for living languages, rather they can only be historical records. Thus, words mean what people who use them intend them to mean.

Re:74% of Startups Have Trimmed Staff, 65% Have Less Than 6 ... by manigandham on Monday May 04, 2020 @03:10AM (#23065326)
Startup = new business model. However once those business models have become mature, it's no longer a startup.

Meal kits are not that revolutionary. Frozen meals have existed for decades, adding some different ingredients and shipping isn't a big innovation on it's own and is more of a standard evolution of food retail.

Re:74% of Startups Have Trimmed Staff, 65% Have Less Than 6 ... by Legogris on Saturday May 02, 2020 @07:56AM (#23051221)
I also think a more important qualifier is the primary focus being development of a proprietary product or service, as opposed to e.g. consulting or providing infrastructure. (Not sure exactly how to word it properly to make the distinction clear, but I think you get the gist)

In my book, a VC money is not a prerequisite for being a startup (although that tends to be how things go these days)

Re:74% of Startups Have Trimmed Staff, 65% Have Less Than 6 ... by Retric on Saturday May 02, 2020 @08:30AM (#23051361)
Plenty of startups are doing the same thing as giant companies that nobody is calling a startup. SpaceX started out building rockets just like everyone else in the industry. https://boomsupersonic.com/ designs and builds aircraft like say Boing.
Re:74% of Startups Have Trimmed Staff, 65% Have Less Than 6 ... by Someone on Saturday May 02, 2020 @08:57AM (#23051484)
“Startup”, for me, means tech and “never consistently made a profit (yet)”. Some might add “and doesn’t really know how to get there, either (yet)”

Most air conditioning contractors and electricians are in a different category. Unless they set their tariffs wrong by an enormous amount, they are profitable almost (they may have to invest in tooling and transport) from day one.

Re:74% of Startups Have Trimmed Staff, 65% Have Less Than 6 ... by Razengan on Saturday May 02, 2020 @08:24AM (#23051332)
> I suspect most air conditioning contractors and electricians would be called 'startups' if they worked in software.

But do they provide innovative solutions and aim for growth?

Re:74% of Startups Have Trimmed Staff, 65% Have Less Than 6 ... by JoeAltmaier on Saturday May 02, 2020 @08:26AM (#23051342)
Oddly, no. Most service companies are a lifestyle, not an attempt at an empire. Witness: when the owner retires, the company goes out of business. Unless a family member wants to carry on, most often they just lock the doors and walk away. Instead of trying to sell the business.
Re:74% of Startups Have Trimmed Staff, 65% Have Less Than 6 ... by amelius on Saturday May 02, 2020 @06:10AM (#23050733)
> I don't like how the tech industry/news sites call any non-behemoth tech company a "startup".

And I don't like how they call these companies "tech" companies.

Yes, they use computers, but mostly in ways that we have been doing for decades. By that standard, every company is a tech company including farmers and banks.

If they must call them "tech", then call them "low-tech" unless they regularly and substantially publish in scientific journals.

And no, having a pet tech project like self-driving cars does not make you a tech company until it's getting close to your main source of profit.

Re:74% of Startups Have Trimmed Staff, 65% Have Less Than 6 ... by Justsignedup on Saturday May 02, 2020 @02:16AM (#23049729)
Irony, strong companies I been part of have ~2 years of banked cash. Even non-profits.

These hyper-growth companies are showing their weakness. They only work during hyper economic growth. The fact that Uber and Lyft don't have like 2 years of runway in the bank is a strong indication of exactly how much these companies are gambling like drunken sailors.

This is exactly why we must bail out the people and let the companies that did not heed the warnings die out. Ideally with the owners losing all those mega billions they managed to grab.

Re:74% of Startups Have Trimmed Staff, 65% Have Less Than 6 ... by Apocryphon on Saturday May 02, 2020 @02:17AM (#23049734)
Not just the companies themselves, but the VCs that feed into their behavior. Will VC firms ever feel the repercussions for fueling this tech boom's irrational exuberance?
Re:74% of Startups Have Trimmed Staff, 65% Have Less Than 6 ... by pjc50 on Saturday May 02, 2020 @04:44AM (#23050371)
What is a "repercussion"? Most of the individuals involved are in a position where the worst that can happen is a slower rate of wealth acumulation. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-11-05/wework-me...
Re:74% of Startups Have Trimmed Staff, 65% Have Less Than 6 ... by Apocryphon on Saturday May 02, 2020 @01:18PM (#23053267)
Son is an extreme outlier- remember he lost $70 billion during the dot com bust, and SoftBank lost 99% of its market cap, and in the subsequent decade was able to gain it back.

I'm talking about the average Silicon Valley VC firm.

Re:74% of Startups Have Trimmed Staff, 65% Have Less Than 6 ... by rvz on Saturday May 02, 2020 @04:14AM (#23050257)
And what happens when you chase hyper-growth over profitability when either the markets crash or a global catastrophe happens or perhaps more accurately both events happening? [0]

This plea for halp is left as an exercise to the reader.

[0] https://techcrunch.com/2020/04/08/deliveroo-graphcore-and-ot...

Re:74% of Startups Have Trimmed Staff, 65% Have Less Than 6 ... by collyw on Saturday May 02, 2020 @09:19AM (#23051609)
>Sorry, they're not startups.

They are still living off of venture capital though, no?