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Re:74% of Startups Have Trimmed Staff, 65% Have Less Than 6 ... by kevindong on Saturday May 02, 2020 @02:38AM (#23049835)
> "Startups are laying people off!"

> Examples: Publicly traded companies Uber and Lyft.

> Sorry, they're not startups.

As an aside, I don't like how the tech industry/news sites call any non-behemoth tech company a "startup".

For example, these companies are not startups; they are large (and in some cases, deeply unprofitable) enterprises: SpaceX, Stripe, Airbnb, JUUL, Palantir, Epic Games, Wish, Coinbase, Robinhood, Instacart, DoorDash, WeWork, etc. [0]

Furthermore, 89% of American businesses have fewer than 20 employees [1].

[0]: These are the largest US-based "unicorn startups" per Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unicorn_startup_compan...

[1]: https://www2.census.gov/programs-surveys/susb/tables/2016/us...

Re:74% of Startups Have Trimmed Staff, 65% Have Less Than 6 ... by seisvelas on Saturday May 02, 2020 @03:12AM (#23049977)
Startup has been consumed by its use as a marketing buzzword and as far as I can tell just means 'company' at this point. People just say they 'founded a startup' instead of 'started a company'.

I suspect most air conditioning contractors and electricians would be called 'startups' if they worked in software.

Re:74% of Startups Have Trimmed Staff, 65% Have Less Than 6 ... by elgenie on Saturday May 02, 2020 @03:25AM (#23050052)
“Founded a startup” is absolutely but trivially correct because every company is a startup by any definition in the immediate aftermath of its founding. The question is just about what criteria make sense for declaring that a company has graduated from a startup to an established company.

Criteria like “founded in the last Y years”, “has fewer than N employees”, “has market cap under $X”, “is in a fresh/hot industry” alone or in combination end up including dramatically different sets of companies.

Re:74% of Startups Have Trimmed Staff, 65% Have Less Than 6 ... by lolcopterpilot on Saturday May 02, 2020 @04:48AM (#23050392)
I don't agree. Startup has a fairly specific task or operating style that is irrelevant to its size and age and number of employees. A startup is a company that is experimenting with ideas and its main goal is to validate a business model. If those business models can't be validated in a certain amount of time, the company should shut down. If a business model is validated it needs to be implemented and the company is no longer a startup.

You can be a 0-day 1-person company but if you have a business model and an operating structure, you're not a startup. Most companies are started on a specific business idea and planned to run for long term on that idea. Those are not startups.

Re:74% of Startups Have Trimmed Staff, 65% Have Less Than 6 ... by majewsky on Saturday May 02, 2020 @11:05AM (#23052155)
Where do you draw the line for "validating a business model"?

Uber was founded 11 years ago. How long do you need to validate the business model of a taxi app?

AirBNB was founded nearly 12 years ago. How long until they're done validating the business model of letting people rent apartments over a website?

Re:74% of Startups Have Trimmed Staff, 65% Have Less Than 6 ... by stevehawk on Saturday May 02, 2020 @11:48AM (#23052399)
I feel like a business model is validated when it becomes profitable, which it's why many of us don't validate the Uber/Lyft business model yet.
Re:74% of Startups Have Trimmed Staff, 65% Have Less Than 6 ... by majewsky on Saturday May 02, 2020 @02:39PM (#23053902)
Okay, so it's partially computable. But non-viability can never be proven?
Re:74% of Startups Have Trimmed Staff, 65% Have Less Than 6 ... by trophycase on Saturday May 02, 2020 @03:28AM (#23050061)
Startup implies tech and/or "nontraditional" business and also tends to imply VC money. A restaurant isn't a "startup" because it's a restaurant, a hardware store is a hardware store. But what is a VC backed meal kit company: a startup. There's no actual word for it so startup is the catchall term
Re:74% of Startups Have Trimmed Staff, 65% Have Less Than 6 ... by brutus1213 on Saturday May 02, 2020 @03:55AM (#23050176)
Extremely insightful comment! I've been in the industry for a while and this is an excellent definition. It pertains to whether or not a business model is well-established or not.
Re:74% of Startups Have Trimmed Staff, 65% Have Less Than 6 ... by TheSpiceIsLife on Saturday May 02, 2020 @07:55AM (#23051216)
> what is a VC backed meal kit company

How about a meal kit company?

Words mean what people who use them intend them to mean, so we end up with things like this:

noun

a new business venture, or a new commercial or industrial project.

adjective

of or relating to the beginning of such a venture or project, especially to an investment made to initiate it

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/startup

NB: dictionaries are not authoritative sources for living languages, rather they can only be historical records. Thus, words mean what people who use them intend them to mean.

Re:74% of Startups Have Trimmed Staff, 65% Have Less Than 6 ... by manigandham on Monday May 04, 2020 @03:10AM (#23065326)
Startup = new business model. However once those business models have become mature, it's no longer a startup.

Meal kits are not that revolutionary. Frozen meals have existed for decades, adding some different ingredients and shipping isn't a big innovation on it's own and is more of a standard evolution of food retail.

Re:74% of Startups Have Trimmed Staff, 65% Have Less Than 6 ... by Legogris on Saturday May 02, 2020 @07:56AM (#23051221)
I also think a more important qualifier is the primary focus being development of a proprietary product or service, as opposed to e.g. consulting or providing infrastructure. (Not sure exactly how to word it properly to make the distinction clear, but I think you get the gist)

In my book, a VC money is not a prerequisite for being a startup (although that tends to be how things go these days)

Re:74% of Startups Have Trimmed Staff, 65% Have Less Than 6 ... by Retric on Saturday May 02, 2020 @08:30AM (#23051361)
Plenty of startups are doing the same thing as giant companies that nobody is calling a startup. SpaceX started out building rockets just like everyone else in the industry. https://boomsupersonic.com/ designs and builds aircraft like say Boing.
Re:74% of Startups Have Trimmed Staff, 65% Have Less Than 6 ... by Someone on Saturday May 02, 2020 @08:57AM (#23051484)
“Startup”, for me, means tech and “never consistently made a profit (yet)”. Some might add “and doesn’t really know how to get there, either (yet)”

Most air conditioning contractors and electricians are in a different category. Unless they set their tariffs wrong by an enormous amount, they are profitable almost (they may have to invest in tooling and transport) from day one.

Re:74% of Startups Have Trimmed Staff, 65% Have Less Than 6 ... by Razengan on Saturday May 02, 2020 @08:24AM (#23051332)
> I suspect most air conditioning contractors and electricians would be called 'startups' if they worked in software.

But do they provide innovative solutions and aim for growth?

Re:74% of Startups Have Trimmed Staff, 65% Have Less Than 6 ... by JoeAltmaier on Saturday May 02, 2020 @08:26AM (#23051342)
Oddly, no. Most service companies are a lifestyle, not an attempt at an empire. Witness: when the owner retires, the company goes out of business. Unless a family member wants to carry on, most often they just lock the doors and walk away. Instead of trying to sell the business.
Re:74% of Startups Have Trimmed Staff, 65% Have Less Than 6 ... by amelius on Saturday May 02, 2020 @06:10AM (#23050733)
> I don't like how the tech industry/news sites call any non-behemoth tech company a "startup".

And I don't like how they call these companies "tech" companies.

Yes, they use computers, but mostly in ways that we have been doing for decades. By that standard, every company is a tech company including farmers and banks.

If they must call them "tech", then call them "low-tech" unless they regularly and substantially publish in scientific journals.

And no, having a pet tech project like self-driving cars does not make you a tech company until it's getting close to your main source of profit.