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Re:Lyft lays off 17% of workforce, furloughs hundreds more by minimaxir on Wednesday April 29, 2020 @12:20PM (#23020957)
> Lyft is laying off 17 percent of its workforce and furloughing 5 percent. This is after an employment lawyer at the company accidentally invited much of the workforce to a weekend meeting called "Jetty" in what workers took to be a reference to jettisoning jobs.

https://twitter.com/kateconger/status/1255526352813535232

Re:Lyft lays off 17% of workforce, furloughs hundreds more by thorwasdfasdf on Wednesday April 29, 2020 @02:00PM (#23022158)
I'm sure the current economic situation plays a role in the decision to layoff.

But, i wonder, in general, if all these layoffs are to some degree something overdue that companies wanted to do anyways and are now just taking the opportunity to do it whilst still saving face.

Re:Lyft lays off 17% of workforce, furloughs hundreds more by Frost1x on Wednesday April 29, 2020 @02:13PM (#23022324)
This entire situation is going to allow for a lot of, arguably, necessary house cleaning.

I think you're also going to see management at surviving businesses exploit the downturn to their advantage. Lots of rationalization as to why you won't see raises, why you'll need to work more to pick up the slack, lots of "be greatful" (there's some validity here), lots of pay/hour cuts, etc. that will likely perpetuate long after the crisis has rebounded and balance sheets are in the green again. Its funny how quickly businesses react to cut costs but are slow to react to shore up their current employees.

You're also going to see employers who lay-off yet justify continual hiring in this marketplace. Businesses will try to capture high quality labor talent at reduced costs (due to competition) and lock in those rates for awhile (hoping some will stay and be happy with modest raises on their significantly reduced labor rates).

One place I work with, management claims everything is fine and they've locked down all non-essential hiring, but I keep active monitoring on popular labor marketplaces for them and see continual updated advertising, even after they've claimed to stop hiring. Some of it's automated but I know for a fact a few places manually renewed listings intentionally. They're not locking hiring, they're looking for discounts right now because they know they're financially solid and will weather this storm just fine.

I love many aspects of technology but am really growing to hate industry practices to the point of looking at career changes.

Re:Lyft lays off 17% of workforce, furloughs hundreds more by bluGill on Wednesday April 29, 2020 @02:34PM (#23022565)
There are also hiring ads run just to convince potential customers that you are not dieing. I know a few people who saw a job ad seeming to target them, with no response to their resume despite having a very unique skill set. Only by talking to insiders did the truth come out : they have enough people with the unique skill set but they need to appear to be growing even when it obviously is a dieing area. (mainframes in this case, they still exist and sell well but everybody has known they are on the way out)
Re:Lyft lays off 17% of workforce, furloughs hundreds more by jasondclinton on Wednesday April 29, 2020 @02:38PM (#23022600)
> I love many aspects of technology but am really growing to hate industry practices to the point of looking at career changes.

Agree with your post (and upvoted) but wanted to point out that these labor practices common to capitalism and so you're likely to find it just as bad outside of tech. In some industries, worse than others, for sure. But this is the Faustian bargain that we signed up.

(Personally, having worked some really terrible jobs outside of tech, I wouldn't leave it.)

Re:Lyft lays off 17% of workforce, furloughs hundreds more by eastbayjake on Wednesday April 29, 2020 @02:05PM (#23022219)
Isn't a "jetty" a defensive barrier to protect a harbor against storm tides? Dumb move to accidentally invite everyone to a meeting with a codename, but not a dumb codename as you protect a company from a storm.
Re:Lyft lays off 17% of workforce, furloughs hundreds more by earthtourist on Wednesday April 29, 2020 @02:13PM (#23022333)
IIRC this is why the U.S. military (in certain cases?) uses a pre-generated list of code names. If you let humans do the code names, they'll choose names that leak info.
Re:Lyft lays off 17% of workforce, furloughs hundreds more by SilasX on Wednesday April 29, 2020 @02:08PM (#23022263)
Not to get too far on this tangent, but, for me, "jetty" doesn't evoke "jettison" but either:

1) Those little docks like in Venice (cf. "Let me off at this jetty" in The Last Crusade).

2) The jetty server library that Jenkins uses which shows up in error messages.

Re:Lyft lays off 17% of workforce, furloughs hundreds more by hinkley on Wednesday April 29, 2020 @02:16PM (#23022369)
3) the short film that 12 Monkeys was based on
Re:Lyft lays off 17% of workforce, furloughs hundreds more by aaronbrethorst on Wednesday April 29, 2020 @02:29PM (#23022510)
La Jetée
Re:Lyft lays off 17% of workforce, furloughs hundreds more by supernova87a on Wednesday April 29, 2020 @02:31PM (#23022524)
3) A plank that pirates walk people off of into the water to be eaten by sharks.
Re:Lyft lays off 17% of workforce, furloughs hundreds more by sixstringtheory on Wednesday April 29, 2020 @02:37PM (#23022591)
Source? Never heard that, and not seeing it in cursory internet searches. IME it's just called "the plank."
Re:Lyft lays off 17% of workforce, furloughs hundreds more by tibbydudeza on Wednesday April 29, 2020 @02:08PM (#23022252)
I think it meant Jettison (throw or drop (something) from an aircraft or ship).
Re:Lyft lays off 17% of workforce, furloughs hundreds more by paulcole on Wednesday April 29, 2020 @02:33PM (#23022547)
I’m not sure where you got that idea from but I assumed it was a typo. The lawyer was trying to type “layoff plan” and autocorrect worked its magic.
Re:Lyft lays off 17% of workforce, furloughs hundreds more by yaktubi on Wednesday April 29, 2020 @02:12PM (#23022319)
They are referring to the George Jetson maneuverability
Re:Lyft lays off 17% of workforce, furloughs hundreds more by chrisseaton on Wednesday April 29, 2020 @02:34PM (#23022566)
> but not a dumb codename

The whole point - the only purpose of a codename is that it doesn't give the game away.

Re:Lyft lays off 17% of workforce, furloughs hundreds more by phillco on Wednesday April 29, 2020 @01:46PM (#23022003)
Q: "Why does my company use the blandest possible codenames for everything?"

A:

Re:Lyft lays off 17% of workforce, furloughs hundreds more by OedipusRex on Wednesday April 29, 2020 @12:47PM (#23021258)
That's incredibly insulting.
Re:Lyft lays off 17% of workforce, furloughs hundreds more by Andrew_nenakhov on Wednesday April 29, 2020 @02:32PM (#23022543)
I miss the early days of the internet when people had thicker skins and weren't so easily offended/insulted.
Re:Lyft lays off 17% of workforce, furloughs hundreds more by apacheCamel on Wednesday April 29, 2020 @02:52PM (#23022739)
Ahh yes, making a joke in a meeting title to make fun of the employees that are about to be fired. A comedy classic.
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Re:Lyft lays off 17% of workforce, furloughs hundreds more by Andrew_nenakhov on Wednesday April 29, 2020 @02:55PM (#23022769)
You know, my 'white privilege' have me SOOOO much more opportunities than my black afro-russian compatriots ever had in Russia. :-/

Jokes aside, I believe my parents income in 1993 was less than 10% of the poorest non-white guy in the US. So your 'white guy' accusation kinda lands flat.

Re:Lyft lays off 17% of workforce, furloughs hundreds more by selimthegrim on Wednesday April 29, 2020 @04:56PM (#23024188)
Well, they did use to call it Upper Volta with rockets
Re:Lyft lays off 17% of workforce, furloughs hundreds more by draw_down on Wednesday April 29, 2020 @12:33PM (#23021089)
There's always some related piece of news about the way the company went about the layoffs. This one seems especially reaching. Really, a meeting invite?!
Re:Lyft lays off 17% of workforce, furloughs hundreds more by Uehreka on Wednesday April 29, 2020 @01:13PM (#23021612)
If I found out that a bunch of my coworkers had been laid off in a video meeting, I’d be bummed because they got laid off, but I’d understand that companies have to make hard decisions sometimes.

If I learned that the accidentally visible filename of the PowerPoint in that meeting was “EjectorSeat.pptx”, I’d be some combination of angry and alarmed about management’s attitude. That would be a definite “update my resume and call up some former colleagues for lunch” kind of moment at the very least.

I think people reasonably expect that when a company makes a serious decision that affects hundreds of people’s livelihoods, that they effect a pretty somber tone.

Re:Lyft lays off 17% of workforce, furloughs hundreds more by s1artibartfast on Wednesday April 29, 2020 @01:35PM (#23021881)
>I think people reasonably expect that when a company makes a serious decision that affects hundreds of people’s livelihoods, that they effect a pretty somber tone.

This case sounds like an unfortunate mistake, I’m sure they intended to present the material in a somber manner. That said, it begs the question on if what should be expected behind closed doors.

Re:Lyft lays off 17% of workforce, furloughs hundreds more by ebg13 on Wednesday April 29, 2020 @01:47PM (#23022017)
> This case sounds like an unfortunate mistake, I’m sure they intended to present the material in a somber manner.

The tone of the presentation is far less important than the tone in the minds of the people doing the presenting. You can present as somberly as you want, but if a laugh track is secretly playing inside their heads, they can fuck all the way off. Workers deserve actual compassion, not the facade of it.

Re:Lyft lays off 17% of workforce, furloughs hundreds more by Frost1x on Wednesday April 29, 2020 @02:23PM (#23022444)
>>This case sounds like an unfortunate mistake, I’m sure they intended to present the material in a somber manner. That said, it begs the question on if what should be expected behind closed doors.

Which OP sort of implied the sentence right after.

I'm pretty sure if most people heard the discussions that go on in management meetings, especially at high levels, they'd be pretty irate. I've been in a few at different organizations and I don't have the moral flexibility to treat people like disposable garbage our sociopathic business 'leaders' have. Most people suspect this is the case but are satisfied to hear PR lies--as long as the message isn't offensive (which I don't understand why, I prefer direct messaging so we can cut the BS).

We need a serious social revolution in labor rights and expectations in this country. Not sure if its a really bad or good time for it but I think its one of the two.

Re:Lyft lays off 17% of workforce, furloughs hundreds more by skybrian on Wednesday April 29, 2020 @02:36PM (#23022575)
Is this based on actual experience or are you just imagining villains here?

I don't have that experience, but my suspicion is that the cartoon bosses in peoples' heads might not be an accurate picture of actual bosses? Laying people off doesn't seem to be easy for most managers, or at least those who talk about it.

Re:Lyft lays off 17% of workforce, furloughs hundreds more by Frost1x on Wednesday April 29, 2020 @03:26PM (#23023129)
Runs contrary to meetings I've been in. YMMV.
Re:Lyft lays off 17% of workforce, furloughs hundreds more by dx87 on Wednesday April 29, 2020 @02:01PM (#23022166)
I think that falls under the saying: "Integrity is how you behave when you think nobody is looking".
Re:Lyft lays off 17% of workforce, furloughs hundreds more by twodave on Wednesday April 29, 2020 @02:36PM (#23022580)
Sort of OT but "integrity" is one of my favorite words. Imagine everyone you interact with has a small, slightly different picture of who you are. If those pieces could all be combined, they should form a consistent, accurate and (mostly) complete picture of the real you.

And even then, the only person who fully knows the real you... is yourself.

Re:Lyft lays off 17% of workforce, furloughs hundreds more by monetaryvirus on Wednesday April 29, 2020 @01:20PM (#23021701)
According to SlateStarCodex, Triplebyte (YC '15) ignored the stay-at-home warnings about the virus and had employees come in to the office to get their notice of layoffs:

https://slatestarcodex.com/2020/03/19/coronalinks-3-19-20/

Re:Lyft lays off 17% of workforce, furloughs hundreds more by skosch on Wednesday April 29, 2020 @01:34PM (#23021859)
He (mostly) retracted this a week later:

"Last links post I included tech company Triplebyte in the shame list for refusing to let employees switch to work-from-home, then firing them. A representative of Triplebyte contacted me and asked me to explain their perspective, which is that they took the pandemic seriously and went all-remote around the same time as everyone else. The reluctance to let employees switch to work-from-home applied only to a few employees in early March, before the scale of the crisis was widely appreciated, and they say that they would have tried to make accommodations if they had understood the seriousness of the requests. They had been planning the downsizing for a while, it was really unlucky that it ended up in the middle of a pandemic, and they tried to make it as painless as possible by offering good severance pay, etc. I’m relaying their statement because I’m realizing it was probably unfair of me to single them out in particular – my hearing a lot about this was downstream of my having a lot of friends who work(ed) for Triplebyte, and my having a lot of friends who work(ed) for Triplebyte was downstream of them being a great company doing important work which all my friends wanted to work for. I continue to generally respect them and their vision (see here for more), and you don’t need to give them any more grief over it than they’re already getting."

Re:Lyft lays off 17% of workforce, furloughs hundreds more by monetaryvirus on Wednesday April 29, 2020 @01:55PM (#23022102)
I was referring to this part:

>The rumor is that it had planned the downsizing for a while, wanted the employees to be in the office to hear about it in person, and didn’t care how much risk it had to expose the soon-to-be-ex-employees to in order to make it happen.

i.e. making them come in to the office for the layoff notice, after it was known the public needs to social-distance and minimize gatherings.

That part is still bad, and it's not retracted, nor does Triplebyte dispute making them come in to the office to be informed of the layoffs.

In any case, it would be nice if he updated the original post with a link to the retraction, otherwise people won't see any unringing of the bell when they go back to that link.

Re:Lyft lays off 17% of workforce, furloughs hundreds more by tomp on Wednesday April 29, 2020 @01:15PM (#23021631)
What else do you propose during a "lockdown" "shelter-in-place" situation? IMO it's only the name of the meeting that is (potentially) the problem.
Re:Lyft lays off 17% of workforce, furloughs hundreds more by elliekelly on Wednesday April 29, 2020 @01:42PM (#23021951)
A phone call? Ending the employment relationship isn’t all too different from ending a romantic relationship. How would you feel if your significant other called and dumped you? Not good. How would you feel if your SO notified you of your new relationship status via text? Probably worse. Now how would you feel if your SO sent a mass text message dumping you and several other people at once? Probably a lot worse.

Sometimes difficult decisions have to be made but a one-on-one conversation with the person is always preferable to a (mass) notification, in my opinion.

Re:Lyft lays off 17% of workforce, furloughs hundreds more by zamadatix on Wednesday April 29, 2020 @02:08PM (#23022257)
Not when it's 22% of the company. After about 30 minutes in EVERYONE is aware people are getting calls about losing their job and spend their day hearing a trickle of rumors on who just got the call and wondering if their phone is going to be the one to ring next. I've yet to see something like this go down better than making it clear up front (e.g. mass meeting) and come out all at once then having the managers follow up after.
Re:Lyft lays off 17% of workforce, furloughs hundreds more by SilasX on Wednesday April 29, 2020 @02:34PM (#23022562)
If my SO had elected to break up with me while she had a super-contagious disease with high mortality rate that could be transferred to me by being in her presence, I would definitely prefer that she do it by phone or vidchat, yes!

As the parent (tomp) noted, the risk profile is basically that with the SIP situation, so this is an exception to the general rule.

Re:Lyft lays off 17% of workforce, furloughs hundreds more by qqssccfftt on Wednesday April 29, 2020 @12:48PM (#23021283)
Just FYI, you're shadowbanned.
Re:Lyft lays off 17% of workforce, furloughs hundreds more by xapata on Wednesday April 29, 2020 @01:15PM (#23021639)
There's usually a pretty good reason for that. Notifying the person starts the process over.
Re:Lyft lays off 17% of workforce, furloughs hundreds more by elliekelly on Wednesday April 29, 2020 @01:49PM (#23022030)
I was once shadow banned because I had submitted a link incorrectly (switched the link & the title which apparently many bots do). I emailed dang and he sorted it out in a matter of minutes.

In my experience the mods are super responsive and more than willing to look into things & hear you out. If this person cares enough to reach out about it they should have the opportunity. And if they’ve been shadow banned for a good reason I imagine they would be told as much.

Re:Lyft lays off 17% of workforce, furloughs hundreds more by hckr_news on Wednesday April 29, 2020 @12:49PM (#23021287)
What does this mean?
Re:Lyft lays off 17% of workforce, furloughs hundreds more by saagarjha on Wednesday April 29, 2020 @12:51PM (#23021317)
It means their comments show up as [dead] until they’re vouched by others.
Re:Lyft lays off 17% of workforce, furloughs hundreds more by SilasX on Wednesday April 29, 2020 @12:59PM (#23021433)
Thanks. I keep [dead] comments turned on and I thought that one was pretty reasonable so I was going to vouch for it but wasn't sure if there was some context I was missing. Your comment provides it.
Re:Lyft lays off 17% of workforce, furloughs hundreds more by qqssccfftt on Wednesday April 29, 2020 @01:01PM (#23021455)
[dead] by itself is a shadowban. [flagged] [dead] is not.
Re:Lyft lays off 17% of workforce, furloughs hundreds more by saagarjha on Wednesday April 29, 2020 @01:45PM (#23021996)
Note that [dead] itself is not necessarily a shadowban: an unpopular comment will show up like that too. To figure out if the user is shadownbanned you want to go to their profile and check if the account is new or has multiple [dead] but reasonable-looking comments.
Re:Lyft lays off 17% of workforce, furloughs hundreds more by verall on Wednesday April 29, 2020 @01:42PM (#23021956)
Comments can be downvoted to death without being flagged. [dead] by itself does not imply its a shadowban. It's super easy to tell though, because if someone is banned, you can look at their history and see all their posts besides a few that get vouched are dead.
Re:Lyft lays off 17% of workforce, furloughs hundreds more by mrfredward on Wednesday April 29, 2020 @02:22PM (#23022442)
It's really comforting to hear this explained. In the past, when I saw a username with several reasonable comments showing as dead, I was worried it was the work of bots or some conspiracy flagging things unfairly. I'm glad that's not the case.