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Re:YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly co... by grawprog on Thursday April 23, 2020 @07:04PM (#22962613)
Since when am I beholden to the WHO? I don't remember voting for any of them or agreeing for them to represent me in any way. They are not my elected government, why should I give the slightest fuck what they tell me to do?
Re:YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly co... by anigbrowl on Thursday April 23, 2020 @10:05PM (#22963903)
Since its establishment by treaty and your sovereign nation of origin becoming a signatory to said treaty. Surely you can make the same point about your skepticism of transnational organizations without all the emotional theatrics, perhaps by researching the topic you aver to care about and highlighting what you believe to be its constitutional inadequacies.
Re:YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly co... by grawprog on Friday April 24, 2020 @05:42PM (#22973219)
https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/transcr...

>Now we need to go and look in families to find those people who may be sick and remove them and isolate them in a safe and dignified manner so that's what I was saying previously; the transition from movement restrictions and shut-downs

I believe unlawfully removing people from their homes and restricting their movement is against the constitutions of several countries, mine for sure. According to this transcript directly from the WHO, this is what they advocate and recommend. Speaking out against this falls under directly contradicting the WHO.

Re:YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly co... by adatavizguy on Thursday April 23, 2020 @07:08PM (#22962649)
I hate to be the one to have to explain this to you. A private entity is deciding what content is and is not allowed to be hosted on their private servers using their private services. This is very different from government officials that you vote for censoring free speech.

Anyone who doesn't like YouTube's policies are welcome to post their content on Facebook to share with their friends, on Twitter, stream it live on Twitch, or, host it themselves on their own servers.

Re:YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly co... by AlchemistCamp on Thursday April 23, 2020 @07:38PM (#22962922)
> I hate to be the one to have to explain this to you. A private entity is deciding...

YouTube is part of a gigantic, public company with more power than many world governments. In a very real sense, Alphabet is more powerful than a hypothetical Standard Oil that also owned one of the most popular two newspapers in every single city in the US.

Their ability to shape markets, public opinion and even elections in 100+ countries is unprecedented and very easy to use with plausible deniability. Facebook is a similar sort of entity. In aggregate, the two control more personal communications than the postal service.

The notion that only a government can be a threat to free speech is outdated and naive.

Re:YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly co... by anigbrowl on Thursday April 23, 2020 @10:06PM (#22963912)
Almost seems like the problem is monopoly capitalism, doesn't it?
Re:YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly co... by jshevek on Thursday April 23, 2020 @10:02PM (#22963887)
>I hate to be the one to have to explain this to you.

Your snarky condescending tone is not helpful.

Just because a person reaches a different conclusion than you doesn't mean that they lack information like this.

I think it's dangerous to society to give corporations that have as much power as YouTube a pass simply because they are not government entities.

Re:YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly co... by alentist on Thursday April 23, 2020 @08:29PM (#22963304)
> Anyone who doesn't like YouTube's policies are welcome to

...criticize them on HackerNews.

Re:YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly co... by thu2111 on Friday April 24, 2020 @04:38AM (#22965866)
Anyone who doesn't like YouTube's policies are welcome to post their content on Facebook to share with their friends, on Twitter, stream it live on Twitch, or, host it themselves on their own servers

You mean the Facebook that just banned WhatsApp message forwarding, despite their service supposedly being end-to-end encrypted? It didn't take long for that little sham to collapse did it? Sure, go self publish and watch as the self appointed guardians of the galaxy do everything in their power to stop you speaking.

We're not debating Google here. Not really. We're debating the whole ethos of Silicon Valley liberals which has become, "we're smarter than you and will ensure you think what we want you to think". Except they're not smarter. Having worked there for years I can confidently say that whilst there might have been some merit to that argument a long time ago within the scope of computer science, but years of endless hiring has now made them distinctly average groups of people with no edge over the rest of the world. Yet they continue to believe merely being a part of a particular organisation allows them to instantaneously decide the correctness of any argument.

Re:YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly co... by organsnyder on Thursday April 23, 2020 @07:09PM (#22962656)
Perhaps because their mission is to keep the world's inhabitants healthy? Of course, they have no legal authority over you, but listening to them is generally a good idea.
Re:YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly co... by nv-vn on Thursday April 23, 2020 @07:19PM (#22962754)
I'm sure it doesn't seem like that to the citizens of Taiwan who are basically told to go fuck themselves by the WHO
Re:YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly co... by vkou on Thursday April 23, 2020 @07:41PM (#22962943)
I did not realize that the WHO's job is to get involved in arguments over borders.

I always thought that their job was to get involved in arguments over public health.

Re:YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly co... by Dylan16807 on Thursday April 23, 2020 @07:55PM (#22963056)
Public health is the problem with them ignoring data from Taiwan.
Re:YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly co... by vkou on Thursday April 23, 2020 @10:22PM (#22963981)
1. What part of that statement makes you think that they ignored data from Taiwan? It was quite obviously a dodge of a politically sensitive question.

2. Both Taiwan and China claim to be China, so that statement wasn't even factually wrong.

Re:YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly co... by dependenttypes on Friday April 24, 2020 @07:32AM (#22966863)
> 2. Both Taiwan and China claim to be China, so that statement wasn't even factually wrong.

Taiwan nowadays is kinda forced by China to claim to be China actually.

Re:YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly co... by vkou on Friday April 24, 2020 @01:46PM (#22970914)
Nowadays? Yes. But it has been making that same claim for nigh-on 70 years, long before China has been strong-arming them into it.
Re:YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly co... by thu2111 on Friday April 24, 2020 @04:39AM (#22965870)
Borders are considered to be rather important in this particular health crisis!
Re:YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly co... by jshevek on Thursday April 23, 2020 @10:06PM (#22963916)
That's a strange way of framing the fact that the WHO is explicitly siding with China in denying the very existence of Taiwan. Especially considering that Taiwan had data that would have saved lives, had the World Health Organization acknowledged their existence.
Re:YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly co... by vkou on Thursday April 23, 2020 @10:25PM (#22964002)
The next time someone who has nothing to do with congressional politics refers to President Trump, are you going to get on their case for failing to acknowledge the existence of the impeachment issue? Will you accuse them of explicitly supporting one side of that conflict?

After all, it is crystal-clear to all right-thinking people that if the world were just, he would currently be in jail. Referring to him as a president is explicitly taking a political position on the subject...

Re:YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly co... by jshevek on Friday April 24, 2020 @12:48AM (#22964741)
This is where a person less concerned with the correct use of the terms designating logical fallacies might accuse you of a "false equivalence". Regardless, trying to reason by analogy on topics like this invites errors of oversimplification and generalization.

Staying on topic, you grossly misrepresented the situation by characterizing WHO's implicit endorsement of Taiwan's non-existance as a state as a matter of mere "argument over borders".

Re:YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly co... by vkou on Friday April 24, 2020 @01:42AM (#22965021)
I feel that it is a gross representation to interpret the WHO's ''NEXT QUESTION PLEASE'' dodge to be an implicit endorsement of... A state of the world that doesn't exist?

Why do you think I feel that way? Why do you not feel that way about the example I outlined? Is it because one topic (Trump's criminality) is controversial in the Western world, while the other one (Taiwan's independence) is not?

Re:YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly co... by bad_user on Thursday April 23, 2020 @07:44PM (#22962972)
WHO currently represents the scientific consensus.

No, they don't tell you what to do, it is your government that does that, or in this case a private entity.

But anybody with a brain would go for the scientific consensus.

(Even though, just to be clear, I don't agree with what YouTube is doing here)

Re:YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly co... by grawprog on Thursday April 23, 2020 @09:37PM (#22963746)
Since when is science about consensus? I seem to recall learning more about falsification being the primary driver behind the scientific method, which tends to revolve around a rigorous process of trying to prove everything wrong until you just can't any more. Sure haven't seen a whole lot of that. Sure have seen a whole lot of, listen to us because this is what we say, without a whole lot of correctly collected data (emphasis on the correctly collected because data are worthless unless correctly collected, i've personally had to throw out hours of work because of sampling errors)to back anything up. Yet, I'm being told to accept lockdowns, police searches of homes and a whole host of human rights violations on the whims of some vague international appointed entity in the name of public safety. Any voice speaking against this is to be silenced on the public platforms of the day.
Re:YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly co... by anigbrowl on Thursday April 23, 2020 @10:11PM (#22963938)
Yes, ignore all the overwhelmed hospitals and the sudden jump in mortality in Italy and Spain that made them decide to lock everything down after they already had a crisis on their hands. Rail more about a transnational organization with a long though often imperfect record of epidemiological expertise. Those bureaucrats in Geneva are personally ruining your life.
Re:YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly co... by jshevek on Friday April 24, 2020 @12:54AM (#22964779)
>Yes, ignore all the overwhelmed hospitals and the sudden jump in mortality in Italy and Spain that made them decide to lock everything down after they already had a crisis on their hands. Rail more about a transnational organization with a long though often imperfect record of epidemiological expertise. Those bureaucrats in Geneva are personally ruining your life.

Not one of these statements reflects any stated positions of the parent. All are hyperbolic mis-characterizations.

Re:YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly co... by joshuamorton on Friday April 24, 2020 @02:37AM (#22965265)
GGP said

> without a whole lot of correctly collected data (emphasis on the correctly collected because data are worthless unless correctly collected, i've personally had to throw out hours of work because of sampling errors)to back anything up.

"Deaths: 191,081" would beg to differ with their conclusion that there isn't a whole lot of correctly collected data. Further, we have incredibly good evidence that social distancing works. We could see it on a state by state and week by week basis in the US, as well as in other nations when they implemented similar policies. There's a whole lot of data backing up lockdowns.

There's also literally hundreds of academic papers on the subject would also disagree. I'm not sure what they expect, but you don't generally get to run longitudinal double blind studies in the midst of a pandemic (although now we're finally getting to the point that you can, with, for example, evidence that things like cloroquine don't improve outcomes).

I'm also not sure what home invasions and human rights violations they're talking about, I haven't heard of any, so I'm curious to see if that's substantiated. I doubt it is.

Re:YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly co... by jshevek on Friday April 24, 2020 @03:07AM (#22965422)
If you want to discuss that with the GGP, and think you can do so fairly, in good faith, go right ahead. I'm just tired of the absolute degradation of quality dialogue on this site, which has accelerated during this period of mass unemployment and sheltering in place. Extreme misrepresentations have become the norm. It's tiresome and is no way to attempt dialectic.
Re:YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly co... by bad_user on Friday April 24, 2020 @03:22AM (#22965500)
Consensus in science is fundamental. This is because even nobel laureates can and have turned to quackery. You don't have science without peer review.

If you're anti-consensus, you're anti-science.

And yes, it's OK to be skeptical, all good scientists are skeptics, but skeptics don't reject consensus, only denialists do.