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Re:Preliminary test results suggest 21% of NYC residents hav... by hcknwscommenter on Thursday April 23, 2020 @05:13PM (#22961503)
It is very positive in that we can be more confident that our assumptions are close to reality. 0.5%*330M still equals 1.65M deaths, or (very roughly) 5M ICU beds. Spread out over 52 weeks, that's a lot of ventilators and ICU beds and PPE, but it is a target. A very big juicy target that we can and should aim directly at, and HIT.
Re:Preliminary test results suggest 21% of NYC residents hav... by iso947 on Thursday April 23, 2020 @07:15PM (#22962717)
So having killed 1.6 million in the US alone and run ICU at 100% for a year, you’re just going to hope people remain immune and the virus doesn’t mutate having passed through billions of people worldwide?
Re:Preliminary test results suggest 21% of NYC residents hav... by cco on Thursday April 23, 2020 @10:30PM (#22964042)
The alternative being...? We know that covid-19 will likely mutate, just like other coronaviruses, H1N1 and its mutations are still around every year; are you suggesting we must remain in quarantine until we both create a vaccine for covid-19 and then every fall quarantine until we're able to develop a vaccine for that year's bout of viruses?
Re:Preliminary test results suggest 21% of NYC residents hav... by nateberkopec on Thursday April 23, 2020 @05:52PM (#22961966)
It's more or less epidemiologically impossible that you will see an attack rate of 100% (as you just assumed). Once attack rate reaches >40~60%, the reproduction number drops below 1 because there just aren't enough uninfected hosts.
Re:Preliminary test results suggest 21% of NYC residents hav... by Uhhrrr on Thursday April 23, 2020 @07:14PM (#22962714)
It will probably be significantly higher than 60%, since COVID-19's R0 without lockdown seems to be pretty high. The CDC has estimated it at 5.7 [0]. Herd immunity threshold = 1 - 1/R0, so the threshold would be 82.4%.

[0] https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/7/20-0282_article?deliv...

Re:Preliminary test results suggest 21% of NYC residents hav... by GhostVII on Thursday April 23, 2020 @07:43PM (#22962969)
That R0 assumes we are taking essentially no measures to stop the virus though, right? I don't no much about it but it seems like the R0 would drop significantly if we keep doing social distancing, expand testing, make people wear masks, etc.
Re:Preliminary test results suggest 21% of NYC residents hav... by Uhhrrr on Thursday April 23, 2020 @09:14PM (#22963588)
It does, but the point of getting to herd immunity is that we don't want to do any of that other stuff.
Re:Preliminary test results suggest 21% of NYC residents hav... by s1artibartfast on Thursday April 23, 2020 @10:09PM (#22963930)
The 5.7 number comes from wuhan, during lunar new year, and before viral identification.
Re:Preliminary test results suggest 21% of NYC residents hav... by m3kw9 on Thursday April 23, 2020 @08:08PM (#22963148)
The issue is you didn’t factor in immunity fading and requiring it again. So those that survive will need to roll dice at a random later date.