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Re:Iranian teen shocks Magnus Carlsen to win $14k prize by tmalsburg2 on Sunday April 19, 2020 @09:32AM (#22915760)
Why is Alireza Firouzja being referred to as "Iranian teen"? He's an international top player. I doubt that Carlsen was referred to as "Norwegian teen" when he was ranking in the top 25.

p.s: As always: responses > downvotes.

Re:Iranian teen shocks Magnus Carlsen to win $14k prize by MattSteelblade on Sunday April 19, 2020 @09:41AM (#22915814)
That was trivial to disprove

https://i.imgur.com/tfL5u0i.png

Re:Iranian teen shocks Magnus Carlsen to win $14k prize by starik36 on Sunday April 19, 2020 @02:17PM (#22917700)
I think the OP's point may have been that Alireza had to flee Iran to play international chess. He's been living in France for the last 7 years afaik.
Re:Iranian teen shocks Magnus Carlsen to win $14k prize by DiogenesKynikos on Sunday April 19, 2020 @08:22PM (#22919990)
Nakamura is described as an American player, but he lives in Napoli. Levon Aronian is Armenian, but he lives in Berlin. Players often don't live in the country they represent.
Re:Iranian teen shocks Magnus Carlsen to win $14k prize by starik36 on Monday April 20, 2020 @06:03PM (#22929185)
But Alireza does not represent Iran, period. The other players are playing for their respective countries.

Btw, I think you are mistaken about Levon Aronian. See recent tragedy with his wife. Occurred in Armenia. He might be living in Berlin part time as its closer to all the action.

Re:Iranian teen shocks Magnus Carlsen to win $14k prize by DiogenesKynikos on Monday April 20, 2020 @07:04PM (#22929821)
Aronian at least used to live mainly in Berlin, which is where his family now lives, I think. I don't know where he spends more time now.
Re:Iranian teen shocks Magnus Carlsen to win $14k prize by tmalsburg2 on Sunday April 19, 2020 @09:45AM (#22915844)
This is not a proof that he was commonly referred to as "Norwegian teen". The internet is vast and a proof of existence has little weight. But any data is better than not data, so +1 to you.
Re:Iranian teen shocks Magnus Carlsen to win $14k prize by Finbel on Sunday April 19, 2020 @10:18AM (#22916088)
You didn't say anything about "commonly referred", you said:

> I doubt that Carlsen was referred to as "Norwegian teen"

Which he was, apparently at least 292 times

Re:Iranian teen shocks Magnus Carlsen to win $14k prize by bluedevil2k on Sunday April 19, 2020 @09:44AM (#22915830)
“Iranian teen” makes it a better headline, anonymizing him makes it more of an out-of-nowhere sports story. Stop looking for racism in everything, you’re looking to stir something up when there’s nothing there. (And I see you’ve edited your comment to remove the “this is racist” rant)
Re:Iranian teen shocks Magnus Carlsen to win $14k prize by chongli on Sunday April 19, 2020 @09:50AM (#22915875)
out-of-nowhere sports story

I’m more annoyed by the headline’s implication that Carlsen would find this defeat shocking. He wouldn’t. Magnus and Alireza have been acquainted for a few years now. They’ve played many times. Carlsen is fully aware of how strong his opponent is.

Re:Iranian teen shocks Magnus Carlsen to win $14k prize by V-2 on Sunday April 19, 2020 @10:19AM (#22916091)
He might have been fazed for sure. Carlsen is famously grumpy about losing. And there's a big difference between losing a single game, and losing a match consisting of several games. It's much more difficult to dismiss the latter as a fluke.

Now obviously this wasn't a fully serious match format, but then again Carlsen prides himself on his dominance under short time controls.

after all, it was in rapid playoffs that he defended his world champion crown against both Karjakin and Caruana. It was only once it came to that when he would simply blow them out of the water.

Re:Iranian teen shocks Magnus Carlsen to win $14k prize by shmageggy on Sunday April 19, 2020 @10:28AM (#22916133)
Plus they directly contradict themselves in the story

> Before the clash, the world no.1 player didn't underestimate Firouzja, calling him "by far my biggest challenge."

Re:Iranian teen shocks Magnus Carlsen to win $14k prize by cambalache on Sunday April 19, 2020 @11:08AM (#22916393)
It it not racist of course, just dumb.
Re:Iranian teen shocks Magnus Carlsen to win $14k prize by Simon_says on Sunday April 19, 2020 @09:44AM (#22915828)
You're getting downvoted because your doubts are easily falsified by a search.

https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/norwegian-teen-top...

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Re:Iranian teen shocks Magnus Carlsen to win $14k prize by pedrosorio on Sunday April 19, 2020 @12:33PM (#22916941)
I think you will find that focusing a bit less on subjective notions of “respect” and not being offended by innocuous things will make your life a lot less stressful.
Re:Iranian teen shocks Magnus Carlsen to win $14k prize by ajharrison on Sunday April 19, 2020 @03:58PM (#22918336)
Pretty frightening that you can’t see the obvious bias.

They could and should have named the “Iranian teen” in the headline instead of glorifying Magnus as some unbeatable chess god. Not to mention that in the actual article itself the hero image is of Magnus holding a trophy. For an article about how he lost.

Get with it.

Re:Iranian teen shocks Magnus Carlsen to win $14k prize by pedrosorio on Sunday April 19, 2020 @09:30PM (#22920329)
There is no "obvious bias". Firouzja is an "Iranian teen".

The fact that "a teen" has beaten the undisputed world champion and number one chess player in the world for the last 10 years at anything involving chess is very surprising and called out in the title (also a lot more click-baity).

Believe me, if and when Firouzja achieves Magnus status and if he then gets beaten by a teen unknown to general audiences we will see a similar headline with Iranian replaced by the teen's country of origin and "Magnus Carlsen" replaced with "Alireza Firouzja".

Re:Iranian teen shocks Magnus Carlsen to win $14k prize by gpm on Sunday April 19, 2020 @09:40AM (#22915810)
Because "person beats Magnus Carlsen" isn't nearly as interesting a headline as "really young person beats Magnus Carlsen" - the latter gives us a sense that we should be surprised. I think you're seeing racism where there is none.
Re:Iranian teen shocks Magnus Carlsen to win $14k prize by tmalsburg2 on Sunday April 19, 2020 @09:43AM (#22915822)
Nothing wrong with pointing out that he's young. But he still has a name, and you've got to wonder about the significance of him being Iranian.
Re:Iranian teen shocks Magnus Carlsen to win $14k prize by gpm on Sunday April 19, 2020 @09:49AM (#22915866)
Chess, like olympic sports, is weirdly nationalistic and a source of national pride. I'm not much of a history expert, but I suspect that was largely caused by the soviet union deciding that they would be the best at it.

As for not using his name, try and write the headline both mentioning his name, and his age. It's just clunky.

Re:Iranian teen shocks Magnus Carlsen to win $14k prize by pbhjpbhj on Sunday April 19, 2020 @12:45PM (#22917042)
One reason to do that is to make it accessible for your reader. They hopefully have heard of Iran, they can "understand" the headline. Even for people who know of the situation sometimes players get a preceding nationality because then you don't need to remember the names to follow along with who is who.
Re:Iranian teen shocks Magnus Carlsen to win $14k prize by dmurray on Sunday April 19, 2020 @09:55AM (#22915921)
If anything it's nice to see some good press for Iran on an American site. I fully expect him to be retconned as "French teen" or "American teen" or whatever else once he gets his new federation.
Re:Iranian teen shocks Magnus Carlsen to win $14k prize by dmit on Sunday April 19, 2020 @09:41AM (#22915813)
Agreed 100%. If you're the editor thinking up this headline, you've got a choice between a) crediting established chess powerhouse Firouzja with a well-deserved victory over Magnus; or b) downplaying his accomplishments in order to make it seem like the reigning champion lost to a random high schooler.
Re:Iranian teen shocks Magnus Carlsen to win $14k prize by V-2 on Sunday April 19, 2020 @11:21AM (#22916482)
"Established chess powerhouse" - not in the eyes of your average reader who doesn't follow world chess events, and most likely wouldn't be able to name any active chess player, with the possible exception of Carlsen himself.

It's CNN, not ChessBase. They have no reason to assume any chess-related who-is-who knowledge on the reader's part.

Re:Iranian teen shocks Magnus Carlsen to win $14k prize by dmit on Sunday April 19, 2020 @11:55AM (#22916685)
CNN's average reader couldn't pick Magnus Carlsen out of a police lineup. At that point you either try grasping at whatever semblance of credibility you have: "Chess prodigy finally defeats Magnus Carlsen in a blitz tournament", or go for those allegedly profitable clicks and title the article "Iranian teen SHOCKS Magnus Carlsen".

It's all trash. The headline is insulting to Magnus. It's insulting to Firouzja. It's insulting to the readers.

Re:Iranian teen shocks Magnus Carlsen to win $14k prize by chatmasta on Sunday April 19, 2020 @10:37AM (#22916180)
It also seems relevant that he is Iranian as he has notably decided not to play under the Iranian flag. Reading the article, multiple paragraphs are spent discussing this aspect of the story.
Re:Iranian teen shocks Magnus Carlsen to win $14k prize by dang on Sunday April 19, 2020 @04:48PM (#22918676)
That's a trope of headlines which has been around for decades. Are we perhaps running into a cross-cultural issue here?

The younger someone doing something noteworthy is, the more the press (at least in North America) will headline their age.

Here's Orson Welles at age 10: https://twitter.com/JFrankensteiner/status/11919269504508805...

Re:Iranian teen shocks Magnus Carlsen to win $14k prize by abandonliberty on Sunday April 19, 2020 @01:41PM (#22917399)
How about: "Teen flees Iran to defeat Magnus Carlsen"

Not entirely true, but that he had to leave Iran to pursue his chess career is interesting.