These seem like dangerous ransomware attacks from the very little information provided.

This would mean an attempt to stop or delay development of treatments and vaccines. That's evil.

Say we wanted to cut off access to North Korea. The Chinese would never agree to that. We can’t even get that country to stop nuclear weapons tests, and that arguably has larger potential ramifications if they develop a legit ICBM.

And while I agree that information related to covid-19 should be freely accessible, in this case we cannot assume that information was merely read and not modified due to whatever nefarious reasons the intruders may have.

Use security in depth, and zero trust networks, not just perimeter defense.

The fact that segments are repeated makes me think it's not a reputable site (in case they manage to fix it, screenshot as of the moment: https://i.imgur.com/M2Glm84.png). Also the poster's username on here is very similar to the site name...

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-cyber-...

'FBI Deputy Assistant Director Tonya Ugoretz told participants in an online panel discussion hosted by the Aspen Institute that the bureau had recently seen state-backed hackers poking around a series of healthcare and research institutions.

'“We certainly have seen reconnaissance activity, and some intrusions, into some of those institutions, especially those that have publicly identified themselves as working on COVID-related research,” she said.'

from the referenced report at: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-cyber/...

Not to be pedantic, but I honestly don’t know what you are getting at.

It helps nothing, regardless of how right you are or feel, and how wrong others are or you feel they are. It just makes this place even worse.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Why didn't you highlight that?

Also, not all IP is for profit.

A lot of non-profits also have IP.

It is still a global power struggle, who cares for human lives in that game?

So no, don't buy it. It's the global thug being thuggish

Most counties are trying to work collaboratively and collectively on these things. US is the wacky outlier and they think everyone is like them.

We're talking about a country too arrogant to adopt the metric system, meters are just too much for them. The optics of possibly using international standards is too high of a political cost because then they'd use the same thing as everyone else. The Horror! America is like an executive who insists on having their own private elevator.

Basic things remain completely unadopted because that would look too much like collaboration. There's clearly an insane actor here, like some pearl clutching out of touch aristocracy riding around in town thinking the peasants love us as we argue how generous we should be wording a letter of forgiveness for wanting a revolution.

I mean, you could write big books about things, they do bad, no doubt (and people do). But ... I could write books about what goes wrong here in germany as well. And as for china: well, they are about to implement a social karma system, because in the great socialist country, corruption(aka selfishness) is very, very common. And for some mysterious reasons, also the leaders of the party have all become very rich. So I am curious, if they will implement the karma system (which says, whether you get a job, university, tax deduction ...) for themself in an equal manner.

Sorry, can't hear you from all the way up here on the moon.

We've had to ask you about this many times in the past. If you'd make a point of reviewing the site guidelines and not backsliding like this, we'd be grateful.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

We're talking about a country too arrogant to adopt the metric system, meters are just too much for them. The optics of possibly using international standards is too high of a political cost because then they'd use the same thing as everyone else. The Horror! America is like an executive who insists on having their own private elevator.

I think my own comment history speaks for itself as being representative of someone who doesn't start flame wars, or whose posts otherwise make HN a worse place in general. Yet I'm often the participant whom you go out of your way to call out.

I enjoy taking what amounts to troll bait at face value, responding in kind while still attempting to add something to the conversation, and seeing where the conversation goes from there. If you have a problem with that, your problem is actually with the original trollbait or flamebait, not with me. I'm not usually the bad guy in these threads. Certainly not in this one.

Even if I hadn't though, it's your responsibility to follow the rules regardless of what others do. "But he started it!" is what I just referred to as a childish complaint. A less childish response would be to take responsibility for what one did, fix it going forward, and not plead other people's bad behavior as an excuse for your own. If we've been very unjust, other users will point it out.

We do our level best to be evenhanded, but we can't come close to seeing everything that gets posted, so you're never going to get perfect consistency from moderation here.

It always feels like the mods are harder on you than others, but that's an illusion. I'm not going out of my way to call you out; I barely recognize your username. My brain has been sandblasted into statelessness after years of doing this. If you've gotten repeated admonishments, it's because you've repeatedly broken the rules. The solution is to stop doing that, and also to stop posting bickering meta-comments, which just add noise and are of interest to no one else. If you need to express yourself about that, you're welcome to do so at [email protected].

> I enjoy taking what amounts to troll bait at face value, responding in kind while still attempting to add something to the conversation, and seeing where the conversation goes from there. If you have a problem with that, your problem is actually with the original trollbait or flamebait, not with me. I'm not usually the bad guy in these threads.

What you're describing is feeding trolls, which the HN guidelines (using nicer language) explicitly ask you not to do. It turns small flamewars into large ones, and the fault is with both parties. You're underestimating how much damage this does.

We all have a strong cognitive bias toward seeing the other person as "the bad guy" and ourselves as pure, or at least not-as-bad-as-him, which can be used to justify anything. Meanwhile the other guy has just the opposite view. That's how we get tedious spats. Please don't do this on HN any more.

The thing about "feeding trolls" is, troll bait is often in the eye of the beholder. I don't believe he was deliberately "trolling" in the sense of posting deliberately-inflammatory material to provoke an irrational response or lower the level of discourse. Rather, I don't doubt for a moment that he holds precisely his stated beliefs about Americans as a group, and posted them because he felt that this was a welcoming environment for such sentiments. My post wasn't an attempt to feed a troll, so much as it was a way of arguing that no, this isn't the anti-American echo chamber he thinks it is.

I agree that both our posts would have been best kept out of the thread. Thanks for your feedback in that direction (and believe me, I do recognize and respect the hard work you put in here.)

I'm fine. The systemic consequences of the cultural norms we choose are very real. We do it all the time without noticing and it's really unhealthy for us and others.

I see it on news sites all the time, so much so that I am starting to think it's done on purpose, but I can't imagine it does good things for SEO, there must be a penalty for repeat content (I would think)?

Maybe it's just sloppy copy/pasting...